[wilandhugs]

Calamity Pete wrote:

Probably Avey Tare getting that Panda jerk to play drums on Spirit.

Nah but I think The Painters EP is probably the low point of the band. Peacemaker is ok though. I'm mad theycalled that song "Kinda Bonkers".

I really like Peacemaker and Goalkeeper quite a lot, and even though I'm not huge on the lyrics or name for Kinda Bonkers either, I do love that sample. Jimmy Mack is eh for me though.

[scrambledgreggs]

I think monkey been to burn town is the low point

Painters EP was great though perhaps inconsequential

[captainlunatic]

scrambledgreggs wrote:

I think monkey been to burn town is the low point

unequivocally

[Stan]

I've never even listened to Monkey Been To Burntown because I have such an acute sense of how very very short life is.

[coral lord]

nothing called monkey been to burntown can ever be good


but also i did listen to the shabazz places new town burnout remix and it was super boring. remixes not done by the boys are so rarely interesting to me.

[Angelic Chaos]

Wow, yeah those Monkey Town remixes were so bad I forgot to get them when I was hunting down every AC related release. I think I have literally everything else from them besides that, and a few of the Grateful Dead remixes that Geo did that I also find underwhelming.

I liked the Painters EP, but I definitely get the criticism with the lyrics with Kinda Bonker. They are pretty silly with the french toast lyric, and "unity of all kinds." Jimmy Mack kind of goes off though. Love the intensity.

[Fovrodi]

That Traxman remix is one of my fave AC remixes, up der with Black Dice Peacebone.

[r_o_s_s]

Gotta say, as someone who got into AnCo a year or so after Centipede was released. The hate this place has for Monkey Riches is bizarre to me. It's always been one of my favourite AnCo tracks and definitely my favourite from the record. Was the version they toured with prior to the album really THAT good that the album version was a huge letdown? What did they change?

[dio]

hell no, nothing really changed at all, that song was ALWAYS whack. lol.

CHZ and PW gonna be getting beat up by us for the rest of time.

[r_o_s_s]

dio wrote:

hell no, nothing really changed at all, that song was ALWAYS whack. lol.

CHZ and PW gonna be getting beat up by us for the rest of time.

wow, that's so interesting. i really do think that track is one of the all time AnCo greats. top five for me, at least. i always got the vibe that everyone loved the bootlegs then the studio version was a massive letdown.

[AxeWorld]

r_o_s_s wrote:

dio wrote:

hell no, nothing really changed at all, that song was ALWAYS whack. lol.

CHZ and PW gonna be getting beat up by us for the rest of time.

wow, that's so interesting. i really do think that track is one of the all time AnCo greats. top five for me, at least. i always got the vibe that everyone loved the bootlegs then the studio version was a massive letdown.

Monkey Riches is fucking great y'all. I just love the whole concept of having this one main loop that they build upon. The textures on this thing are wild, like holy shit that bridge 4 mins in, the soup of fucked up samples and effects is such a highlight. And it's probably the most unrestrained vocals that Avey's ever put out on record. It's ugly and wailing and I love it.
Pulleys is the true weak link on CHz, should've included the 10 min ambient jam or just not have put it on the album at all.

[coral lord]

i've never really liked monkey riches either, the loop is too abrasive. it's just a worse applesauce to me

[scrambledgreggs]

coral lord wrote:

nothing called monkey been to burntown can ever be good


but also i did listen to the shabazz places new town burnout remix and it was super boring. remixes not done by the boys are so rarely interesting to me.

yeah, it was so promising too bc BDG (of GGD) and Shabazz are great artists so the remixes could've been good... but nope

sort of agree about other remixes of AC, I do really like the Dam Funk remix of Summertime Clothes off of that single though

[r_o_s_s]

AxeWorld! Agree one hundred percent! Always found Pulleys to be the weakest part of the record. The bit that I have to get through in order to arrive at Amanita.

[Fovrodi]

Bridge should've had MIA rap over it

[KidEatsKeyboard]

that dam funk remix is kinda the only remix I've ever paid attention to, it's quite nice

[Angelic Chaos]

MR is not one of the worst songs ever obviously- it's AC- but I find Avey's melody to be not very singable, and the lyrics come off weirdly amateur. The conceit of the "I don't wanna [blank] out" and "I don't want to knock you down" section feels too similar, and I also am not a huge fan of the lyrics "don't need that Tylenol," or "makes me wonder how I even wrote this song." Also the song is just too long. All the monotony really takes a toll. Especially with Avey doing this unhinged whine at the end. Like, it's a bit grating in a non-experimental way. But like with all the CHZ intros and outros, those are really great. Best era for transitions thus far.

[Stan]

Some IP bans imminent. Sorry guys. All the best with the rest of your lifes.

[coral lord]

pulleys being a short forgettable song on CHz and an epic banger live is one of the best glow ups from the past 10 years of AC

[flare]

Live Pulleys is incredible but studio Pulleys was the best song on Centipede Hz since day one

[KidEatsKeyboard]

pulleys was my least favorite until very recently. something clicked within the past couple months. before its lack of a chorus bothered me but now the whole texture of the song has pulled me in (ha)

[dio]

I really dont get the energy of Avey's lyrics or singing there. Like I almost do. Almost. I like the loop. I think mostly its the tone of the whole thing. I get WWE vibes but in a bad way. Linkin Park vibes? I dont even know. Aint really AC tho sheeeeit

[Hellomark]

I still remember listening to the first 2011 Centipede era boot and Monkey Riches being the only song I wasn't terribly impressed with. Felt weird to have a song based around one loop when everything else in that era seemed to be deliberately moving away from the more repetitive, sample based merriweather stuff. That 2011 version grew on me eventually, but then the studio version felt like a total step down, just a mess. Sorry to the fans. I wasn't too big on Pulleys the first time I heard it but now I'd say it's one of the best songs of that era for sure.

[dio]

I like the idea of liking it. and when the chorus hit when I play all of CHZ it do be hitting. And I think I had friends in college who might have been like, okay with it (but they're all dead now)

But yeah I mean even stylistic like Mark just said, it dont even fit in. That and NTB to me are big dumb unwelcome weirdos. That I can still jam to but look at as awkward, mutant freak TB reject/Tylenol fever dreams respectively

[Cooper]

dio wrote:

I really dont get the energy of Avey's lyrics or singing there. Like I almost do. Almost. I like the loop. I think mostly its the tone of the whole thing. I get WWE vibes but in a bad way. Linkin Park vibes? I dont even know. Aint really AC tho sheeeeit

This is exactly it. It’s the tone of the song that’s so bizarre, like the polar opposite of most AC. MR is like drinking a monster energy in the middle of a work day- whatever kind of emotional strain it’s feeling is not cathartic at all. I still do love the song lol but it’s probably the least spiritual song Avey’s ever written

[foxtrot]

weird. i have never really heard it that way. i feel like its rev green with a bangin post-MPP beat. totally cathartic.

[opposite field]

Monkey Riches is their arena rock song

[dio]

Ya right Cooper, I get a Monster Energy Drink energy from it, that's pretty accurate. If I could de-Monster Energy Drink it in my mind, it might be epic af.

I still remember the original CHZ Petaluma bootleg, first one, and gravitating toward Mercury and "Let Go" and loving those the most... liking Honeycomb, Gotham and Crimson pretty good, and feeling kinda whatever about Knock You Down, Rosie and Wide Eyed..

And that's kinda how it always stayed. And the studio-debut tracks all skew good-to-great. Slightly mixed era for me. But I'm glad it exists and feels good and right to me following MPP and ODDSAC, like the rockier, harmonically more complicated kind of shit that I was left craving after abusing MPP for years. Even if its not quite as good, sure.

[dio]

opposite field wrote:

Monkey Riches is their arena rock song

shit, I still think the later leg of CHZ touring was their arena rock parody phase. 2013 had insane set lists not necessarily in a good way to me. Peacebone, My Girls, Brothersport, and Purple Bottle all potentially showing up, often with the big NTB/Monkey Riches twofer. Interesting look for the band, but gimme PW + Jeremy tour vibes or most recent 4-man Dave-on-Bass set-up over it anyway (and its the first live version of them I saw!)

[fernforested]

your minds is mental from living in co springs !! the manitou water has eroded your ear drumbs

[roopn]

I'll put my hand up and say I like Monkey Riches too

[dio]

fernforested wrote:

your minds is mental from living in co springs !! the manitou water has eroded your ear drumbs

fair enough pal

[poop]

The transition from NTB to Monkey Riches is one of the best they've done, but I always turn off Monkey Riches before it fully starts lol. Gotta be in the right mood for that one. NTB is like top 10 AC though, have listened to it more than all the other CHz tracks combined. Crimson + Gotham are better than all the others except NTB too.

[Cooper]

Again I do like monkey riches, it just sounds like I’m lost in the airport late for a plane when I’m listening to it, need to be an in almost sadomasochistic mood to vibe with it

[destiny]

Knock u down mad different from monky riches in the breakdown. Monkey riches worst case of the production on chz. It works in some places like Applesauce and moonjock, and todays supernatural, but Monkey riches "i like turtles" part is just a bit of a cluster fuck. The MONKEYY, RICHH, part. I love the song like i love all other ac's songs cuz im bias, but Knock you down's main loop is great and i think having space lends to the song's repition better since its not just the loud ass loop ringing in your ear, but that might've just been a live performance thing. TBH i lvoe the studio's first part too, it just get's to be a bit much in a way AC had never sounded like to me before. I love the percussion on MR too, best use of the weird kit panda had aside from Mercury. Tbh i don't think it's that bad at all, it actually kind of rocks. Upon making this post, my entire opinion changes and i actually really like monky riches.

Don't call it arena rock bro. The closest they ever got to arena rock to me is amanita ending part, and actually the 2019 pulleys breakdown. I forgot that i fuck heavy with Chz and that it rocks really hard when youre on adderall. I love amanita so much. Can see why people think kinda bonkers is wonky but i think its sweet. I really like thbis thread because it's retroactively making me revisit things i thought were tough but are actually sweet as fuck. PW needed live drums

[Tropic]

Potential nightmare future worst decision: Monkey Riches line of NFTs

[madameghostly]

okay i'll bite, i've only ever heard the studio version of Monkey Riches (and the Live at 9:30 version, but i don't think that counts) and i think it whips ass. where's the live version that will make me change my foolish ways?

Tropic wrote:

Potential nightmare future worst decision: Monkey Riches line of NFTs

man, don't even joke about that. if it can happen to Serj Tankian and Tom Morello, it can happen to anyone

[Tropic]

madameghostly wrote:

okay i'll bite, i've only ever heard the studio version of Monkey Riches (and the Live at 9:30 version, but i don't think that counts) and i think it whips ass. where's the live version that will make me change my foolish ways?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9WVVWSdlSk&ab_channel=Pitchfork[/youtube]

[madameghostly]

Tropic wrote:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9WVVWSdlSk&ab_channel=Pitchfork[/youtube]

i mean... i guess i can see how someone would think the studio version sounds improved compared to this, but my mind hasn't exactly been blown, and my opinion on the studio version being a perfectly good translation of how they played it live hasn't really been swayed

i dunno, i guess i had to be there

[opposite field]

dio wrote:

opposite field wrote:

Monkey Riches is their arena rock song

shit, I still think the later leg of CHZ touring was their arena rock parody phase. 2013 had insane set lists not necessarily in a good way to me. Peacebone, My Girls, Brothersport, and Purple Bottle all potentially showing up, often with the big NTB/Monkey Riches twofer. Interesting look for the band, but gimme PW + Jeremy tour vibes or most recent 4-man Dave-on-Bass set-up over it anyway (and its the first live version of them I saw!)

lol for sure. That's the only tour I've seen the full band on and I had some mixed experiences. Even now I look at setlists and I'm like these SHOULD be sick but they just don't land completely.