[archie]

i was rl tired the other night, put on my headphones, layed down and listened to new town burnout to pulleys without moving.
all the problems with the bad produciing kind of went away mostly cause i just let go

[Dead in Light]

had a shit last night.. it was an immaculate conception; the ben allen of turds. all the shit was in the right place, perfect mixure... i kept it on the mantle. that is, until stan showed up.

"gimme the allen," he said with a brash confidence. "you don't want to know what I will do.."

"well why don't you,

Spoiler: show

Stan'd" there

:dolewitit.jpg:


the crowd goes wild, anco pops bottles, abd everyone gets blowjobs.


-THE end

[Stanshant]

Hello ladies reading this its not a true story he's just joking.
I laughed

[pioneerpreserve]

centipede hz era is ending thank god

[lhtd]

I'll be happy to see them harmonize and be more interactive with each other live again. CHz felt so fragmented.

[Dead in Light]

Ehh I see how you could get that, but it still gels so nice. CHz is the one where geo really shines. He makes it all so much smoother.. and I still maintain panda just didn't feel like singing much on this one cuz of drums and tomboy

[coollodges]

yeah I feel that rick. Also by the end they were doing 3 part harms for I think I can live. I don't even remember the last time they had 3 dudes singing at the same time.

[rampface]

Next album: acapella

[lonecyclone]

barber shop quartet style

[StrangeClams]

lonecyclone wrote:

barber shop quartet style

i would love another we tigers/baby day-type percussive mantra song

[RouOfCoorflig]

rampface wrote:

Next album: acapella

AnCo covers Bjork's Medulla

[Dead in Light]

Next album will be only acapella instrumental tracks

[Sam]

only acapella and instrumental tracks, no crossover.

[lhtd]

I would love to see them record something with no effects but instead use different environments with a multitude of sonic qualities.

[RouOfCoorflig]

Realistically, I think the next album is going to be tropical and garage-y as fuck.

[lhtd]

Realistically, I think that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[Dead in Light]

lol you guys CHz thread is totally the truest thread on this site rite now

[jovian]

rampface wrote:

Next album: acapella

i'd actually love to see them do something like this. avey and panda vocals only with geo looping/sampling them LIVE on the fly, deakin also singing maybe doing some very minimalist guitar shit. maybe pitch shift some of the vocal layers down/up to get bass parts or high pitched frequency pushing stuff. but the dudes can sing AND do excellent sound effects shit with their voices, check out sung tongs boots to see what I mean. LAYERS bro. I would love to see this and i think being stripped of most of their toys would make some purer jams.

[jovian]

also I'm late to this but I think stanshalls review was pretty much right on the money. I think ac have reached the point where they feel capable of creating of just about any sound they can think of, which is sweet, but they overused that ability big time on this album and it's the sound of everything and the kitchen sink to a T, there is just too much sound happening, period.

[colin]

jovian is stanisdupe

[Ethmin]

jovian wrote:

also I'm late to this but I think stanshalls review was pretty much right on the money. I think ac have reached the point where they feel capable of creating of just about any sound they can think of, which is sweet, but they overused that ability big time on this album and it's the sound of everything and the kitchen sink to a T, there is just too much sound happening, period.

Too much sound? But I always want MORE!

[colin]

what i like about chz is how minimal and spacey it is and how smart ben allen is for forcing the band to change the sound and refusing to let stanishall produce the album cuz heh would have make album with 10.12 pitchfork rating and invernt time travel and go kill hitler

[colin]

u kno uts gouod and i likes it but lol duh its so easy to make it different and perfect hoow did they not know how to make it peerfect when its so obvious and essay for me to c

[MFpotus]

colin for best drunk poster??

[El Camino]

jovian wrote:

also I'm late to this but I think stanshalls review was pretty much right on the money. I think ac have reached the point where they feel capable of creating of just about any sound they can think of, which is sweet, but they overused that ability big time on this album and it's the sound of everything and the kitchen sink to a T, there is just too much sound happening, period.

The problem with CHZ isn't "too much sound", there's plenty of music that's more dense and layered without having the same issues. It's just a matter of certain sounds not working/fitting with the music (sometimes things buried in the mix can be distracting, but not in a good way imo) and diluting the effect of the tracks. It seems like I have this complaint less often than a lot of other people here though.

[Tico]

if no one pointed shit out like this and people just listened to music without the internet's commentary a lot less people would have noticed any fault in the production. at least i wouldnt have. im gonna stay away from reading peoples quarrels about future albums until i can form my own concrete opinion

[StrangeClams]

tico where's ur christmas avatar?

[colin]

lol im not drunk im on ipad

[colin]

Tico wrote:

if no one pointed shit out like this and people just listened to music without the internet's commentary a lot less people would have noticed any fault in the production. at least i wouldnt have. im gonna stay away from reading peoples quarrels about future albums until i can form my own concrete opinion

jah mon it be hard to walk tru babylong witout dog shit pon dem shoes

[StrangeClams]

lol

[El Camino]

lol

[Tico]

lol

StrangeClamsSequel wrote:

tico where's ur christmas avatar?

dont worry i got on that

[El Camino]

Criticism is inevitable though, especially over a year after its release. If other opinions tamper with your listening experience then it's probably best to not read through threads like this, if you haven't formed a full opinion yet. Because the purpose of this thread is to discuss what we like and dislike about the album.

[Tico]

all the pleasure to ya on that, i wasnt actually trying to say "dont point out criticisms". im just talking about myself mostly, like i didnt even know what production was until i came here so i would probably love CHz unconditionally if stanshall and the like hadnt enlightened me on the value of production. ignance iz bliss

[Tico]

El Camino wrote:

If other opinions tamper with your listening experience then it's probably best to not read through threads like this, if you haven't formed a full opinion yet.

yeah, i said that i wasnt going to with future releases

[jovian]

El Camino wrote:

jovian wrote:

also I'm late to this but I think stanshalls review was pretty much right on the money. I think ac have reached the point where they feel capable of creating of just about any sound they can think of, which is sweet, but they overused that ability big time on this album and it's the sound of everything and the kitchen sink to a T, there is just too much sound happening, period.

The problem with CHZ isn't "too much sound", there's plenty of music that's more dense and layered without having the same issues. It's just a matter of certain sounds not working/fitting with the music (sometimes things buried in the mix can be distracting, but not in a good way imo) and diluting the effect of the tracks. It seems like I have this complaint less often than a lot of other people here though.

yeah that's another way of looking at it. some of the 'sound effecty' stuff just really doesn't sit well with me at all. They said they sampled like mainstream radio bumper soundeffect shit right though? because that would explain a lot that's about as obnoxious as you can get sound effects wise.

I don't mean to be a bummer, I don't really see the band as GENIUSES like I did 5 - 6 years ago anymore anyways. But i feel like it's just plainly obvious the muse wasn't with them this time. And I don't think its Ben Allen's fault either (though his clean style wasn't really a good fit for these songs) Mpp was almost as dense and he did an amazing mixing job giving everything it's own space on that. the percussion on that sounds incredible especially, but never ever gets in the way of anything else. quite the juggling act.

anyways *shrugs* these guys have made enough great music I will give them the benefit of the doubt and always check out the new thing but chz left a bad taste in my mouth. the formula needs to be majorly fucked with next time around, and my hope is they go for a 'less is more' approach.

[jovian]

oh yeah all that shit is IMOOOO!!!!!!!

[colin]

thats just like the result of too much immodium, man

"i just feel like its planelee obvious the muse wasnt with them this time" lol thats a shitty opinion

[rampface]

I see your point but I disagree. Once I learned to let go and stop internally critiquing the mix, the sounds, etc. and just enjoy CHz for what it is, I loved it! This is what they gave us. It's not up to us to make those decisions. CHz is their piece of art and this is the way they intended us to hear it. Relax and get lost in human pleasure!

[Stanshant]

The only problem with 'just take it all in and enjoy it for what it is' is that it reduces all experience to the exact same level.

I initially thought CHz was half good half crap, then I listened to it loads and basically forced myself to like it. Then I just didn't listen to it for about a year and then wrote this re-review. It's about half good/great, in my opinion. MPP was almost all great. Almost everything they'd done before that was life-changing for me. I've already accepted that I may be 'over' the band, and I'm a bit sad about that, they meant almost everything to me at one point. I guess I'll never feel that again about them but hey, I have the memories, it was wonderful and I still love most of their music.

CHz is a fairly weak (for them) collection of songs produced in a way that smothers them in ephemera. It's as hard to get past the production as it is to enjoy the melodies and energy as much as Feels or Strawberry Jam or HCTI. They just aren't there to the same degree! Reducing it to 'just chill out and enjoy it' doesn't help because, well, some things move you more than others. None of the production stuff would really matter if the songs were stronger. Hey, I think the MPP production is equally destructively maximalist (compared to the absolute life-changing wonder of the pre-album boots) but the songs are about one imperial fuck tonne better than CHz, so it seldom bothers me, unless I listen to any boots and imagine what could have been.