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foxtrot, i think you should change the title of this thread to "the album that doesn't have "defeat," but it'll probably still be pretty good"
Ha!
This whole time people have been saying "I think we can dafely change the thread title now" and I was sitting here thinking "yeh, good idea" not realising that I had started this thread

I'm on it.
Also, love all the wife/partner stories! So many memories attached to this band.