[Fovrodi]

foxtrot wrote:

Anyone else feel like its been too long?

The momentum and excitement is being sucked out of it a bit.

I'm sure it'll be right back the moment it actually drops but I've kind of stopped thinking about and listening to it. Its like smelling a meal that you'll never get to taste. At first its tantalising and then after a while you just get annoyed that you're never gonna eat it.

Sure, used to it by now though. SJ gestation felt longer bc I was in high school. Post CHz was dormant enough I had to catch them 3 times on the PW tour

[Fovrodi]

[captainlunatic]

wilandhugs wrote:

captainlunatic wrote:

Okay, what *are* the words to the new middle section? Just realized I've been hearing them wrong

isn't it
"there was not a serpent in the water
the mirror, the what have we become" ?

This sounds right. Thank you

[unrecordednight]

posting "no, not now" in this thread every day until defeat comes out challenge day 1 [admin note: no]

[destiny]

oh no, not now

[Fovrodi]

Defeat will be their motion picture soundtrack

[unrecordednight]

hey! i saw AC at the music box village in 2018 and tripped on a banana peel on the way out of the venue and have been in a coma for almost 5 years. anyway defeat was so incredible i'm sure avey prioritized releasing it right away. which album is it on, cows on hourglass pond, tangerine reef, time skiffs? lmk cause i'm dying to listen, thanks!

[trillstone]

Oh! You missed so much. They decided to put the recording in a time capsule that cannot be uncovered until the earth is quiet.

[kafkaesque]

y'all are too funny

patiently awaiting this masterpiece

[svilla]

I've not listened to any recording beyond the blast practice, figuring I would just skip lesser audience recordings of newer arrangements and wait for a studio version.

But now...



What to do...
This song is just spectacular

[Stan]

If they gave me 45 minutes of their time and two German beers each, I would be able to direct them to make this the best song ever made. As it is, they will probably muller the poor bastard.

[svilla]

I don't stand a chance...

Spoiler: show

Each new incarnation of the middle section has been worse than the one before it, with the OG MBV version being undescribably everything, as already mentioned. The cello build, the wild drumming...

I think I've seen mentions of added sax, which I've skipped, waiting...

Definitely infected with the demoitis for this one.

DANG

[unrecordednight]

keep in mind defeat was recorded in dec 2021 - i'm not fond of the tone of the keys in this version, especially in the beginning part. but i'm not too worried, cause i think it was recorded at a good point in time and the live versions don't necessarily reflect what they did in the studio

[blindmowing]

svilla wrote:

I've not listened to any recording beyond the blast practice, figuring I would just skip lesser audience recordings of newer arrangements and wait for a studio version.

But now...



What to do...
This song is just spectacular

omg

hadn't listened to Defeat in months, and listening to this just wrecked me

[captainlunatic]

Man this song is so fucking sad

[ingenue]

captainlunatic wrote:

Man this song is so fucking sad

Definitely one of the most sorrowful things they’ve ever written (the last half at least).

“We were the good news / now I’m all out, bud / how bout you?”

[ingenue]

That ending. Infreakingcredible.

[unrecordednight]

it's funny because i dont get sad vibes from the music box version, it's interesting that it evolved to be more sorrowful

[Emerson]

i agree with all of you

[ingenue]

Emerson  wrote:

i agree with all of you

Loved when you said, “God will not have his work made manifest by cowards.”

[Emerson]

as shaggy says: it wasn't me

[ingenue]

“Defeat” is such a journey. Been listening to Bibio’s “Phantom Brickworks II” lately, which has that arc—you visit so many emotions by the end of the song you’re like, “what just happened?”

[andthephantom]

Listening to the Music Box version now, it does feel like Avey was kinda rushing through the lyrics in the first and third MBV sections. I think they were smart to slow down those parts (though I also think they stretched them out too far in total length). But the middle section at Music Box is so superior because of those strings. I'm hoping hoping hoping they bring in guest musicians for that middle part.

[Stan]

They won't and the vocal melody will just be two notes. They haven't got a clue what they're doing.

[ingenue]

Stan wrote:

They won't and the vocal melody will just be two notes. They haven't got a clue what they're doing.

Your turn Stan to be crucified (again). Speaking of, I keep thinking about the lyric, “We were the good news / now I’m all out.” Christ is known as the “good news.” This era has some old world gnostic vibes, doesn’t it? Prester John (Medieval Christian legend), Kings (a book of the Bible), Dragon Slayer (Saint Michael, anyone?). The idea of defeat is at the center of faith—Christ’s crucifixion, his whole essence, was/is “victory in defeat.” He impoverished himself. The cross is his trophy.

[lhtd]

great post ^

[captainlunatic]

This is actually the 294736th song about the band breaking up

[IkoOvo]

still the best song, what can i say

[Fovrodi]

this is their Purple Rain, no idea how a studio execution will ever be able to top this. Warming up to the mid section, past listens it's had a kubrickian irony to it that's left me cold

[blindmowing]

waiting for a physical copy of "defeat" is a spiritual experience -- its coming, like Christ, cannot be comprehended

not sure how i will be able to stand when it is in my presence

i will fall to my knees, my ears will become swollen shut, and i shall perish deaf, never knowing the sound of its captured sonic glory

[captainlunatic]

yup

[IkoOvo]

getting a tramp stamp that says "JUST GRAB SOMETHING, TAKE HOLD"

[blindmowing]

questions

1. will the "yup"s be on the studio version?

2. if "Defeat" is released as a vinyl-only standalone single (and pretend a digital rip would not be possible), how much money would you pay for it?

[wilandhugs]

personally I can't wait to find out that each section of this song will incidentally be in a golden ratio with the whole thing

[lockraven]

I just came across this version from Music Box in 2018, and it sounds much better than the mp3s I have. Is it different from what you all have heard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwOCFL8YZo0

[lockraven]

Just kidding! Realized this version is a mix of both sources. I hadn't heard the mix before.

[IkoOvo]

blindmowing wrote:

questions

1. will the "yup"s be on the studio version?

2. if "Defeat" is released as a vinyl-only standalone single (and pretend a digital rip would not be possible), how much money would you pay for it?

1. my money is on "no", will be a sweet live moment to cherish in recordings

2. dont see that happening, could take up one full side, right? rest would be different jams, so more of an EP, right? maybe a single with an etching on side b...i would spend 50+ bucks easy on that if they did tho.

[blindmowing]

IkoOvo wrote:

2. dont see that happening, could take up one full side, right? rest would be different jams, so more of an EP, right? maybe a single with an etching on side b...i would spend 50+ bucks easy on that if they did tho.

the questions is purely hypothetical as a way of understanding how much people value the song on its own

i think i'd throw as much as $150 at a vinyl Defeat if i knew it was the only way i'd be able to hear the studio version

[ingenue]

IkoOvo wrote:

getting a tramp stamp that says "JUST GRAB SOMETHING, TAKE HOLD"

Lol

[Hellomark]

I really like the newest version of Defeat personally, but that subcarrier video kinda bugs me. Feel like they did it much better during other performances from that tour. Avey's voice feels kinda off/is mixed too loud or something.