[hedgecore]

GrassUno wrote:

Some of the clips are giving me the blob intro vibes. Trippy go lucky.


[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XzHDvzGmmw0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

God I love this song. for so many reasons. it rips

[tdegenaro]

Boom, what was it like to play the songs for a crowd for the first time? that must be such a crazy feeling!

what kind of feedback, vibes, ideas, do you get from an event like the dj party?

[roopn]

Tropic wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

.....Pure Lennox . Over ice .

Hahah yeesss

[howsoever]

dio wrote:

I can't even believe these snippets. So insanely good sounding. Like Panda stuff that always should have existed but didnt. I mean dare I say it kinda sounds like a more linear follow up to PP a bit, like from an alt timeline.

I kind of feel this way about a lot of Panda songs. Sometimes the melodies seem like I’ve been listening to them and loving them for years, even when I listen for the first time. Something timeless in there

[Stan]

Can't believe no reports from the listening party. We call ourselves fans?

[Natalidae]

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

[hypo's]

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

[ingenue]

hypo's wrote:

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

1000%. I am not the same person I was before I discovered psychedelics (or, rather, before they found me). These experiences enriched my life in many unspeakable and profound ways, but I wonder if the concomitant chaos and confusion was worth it. I am seven years on from my first trip and just feeling like I have a firm grip on reality again. I sometimes think there is knowledge not meant for us. I, too, am skeptical that legalization would be good for society.

[Slippi's Applesauce]

Stan wrote:

Can't believe no reports from the listening party. We call ourselves fans?

Here’s one from a friend of a discord user

"It went great! The album is shorter than I expected but maybe some songs are longer than I noticed (what with being in a dancey trancey)"

"It sounds perfect to me. Just shorter than I expected. The use of samples is very much person pitch vibes but a song in particular is very ‘all things being equal’ with panda harmonies"

[Stan]

Cheers! Sounds very appetising.

As for psychs, it's taken me the best part of thirty years to come to terms with whatever common or garden lunacy I cultivated/was born with/picked up en route. Over the last ten years, I've finally felt mostly happy and stable and comfortable, whereas the previous twenty years were more of a roller-coaster. If I'd thrown anything more existentially or cosmically dismantling in there along the way, I'm pretty certain I would have struggled much more, to say the least. I certainly don't judge anyone who does explore, I'm just cautious regarding my own psychological limits.

To that end, I think an organisation like MAPS could be very helpful to guide and support interested users and to keep those experiences as safe and productive as possible.

[dio]

Everyone play some friggin PBVSGR in anticipation of this... historically, Tomboy is my deepest Panda fave but damn. Reaper is so insane... so bright and shiny and HD, but also so noisy and wild. Faces in the Crowd, Lisbon Zoo, No Man's Land and Jabber are all All-timers for me, goddamn (and Selfish Gene of course, the greatest panda song of all time). Idk I hadnt spun any of it in a very long time and its so gorgeous.

Anyway, here's to the new new. I cant friggin wait, this will be such an unexpected treat

[Sonic boom]

hypo's wrote:

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

Legalization is the key in tandem with Information & smart usage advice .
Illegality is where the problems lie . Information . Information. Information .
Drug dealers don't always give the best information ....
There'll be a transition period , but ultimately it's the better route .

[preakness]

PB just posted something and tagged Danny Perez. New video this week?

[wilandhugs]

Sonic boom wrote:

hypo's wrote:

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

Legalization is the key in tandem with Information & smart usage advice .
Illegality is where the problems lie . Information . Information. Information .
Drug dealers don't always give the best information ....
There'll be a transition period , but ultimately it's the better route .

A lot of truth being said in this thread, and absolutely true that legality is the way forward. I love reading the positivity of MAPS in regards to their treatment, it's truly forward thinking and absolutely deserves more scale. Seems like they're doing a lot of good against PTSD/Maj Dep

My personal experience with psychs is that you can achieve a lot of the same realizations more naturally and easily thru meditation, but that takes a lot of work and is so difficult for so many people... so I support legalization to enhance healthy cognition and mindfulness, but it should totally be done with professional set/setting to get the most out of it, and to not make it unhealthy. I've seen several of my friends go from eccentric creative geniuses but functional to so utterly dysfunctional due to psych abuse, but with the right tools and the right information it seriously is a great way to get healthy mindfulness distilled into people who might need it most-- and legalization should totally be done in tandem with organizations like MAPS setting the tone for their usage.

[howsoever]

Definitely refreshing to see some levity in the psychedelics discussion here. It can be a wonderful thing, but my experience reflects a joy in finding realization in steps—a combination of natural experience and helpful, gentle pushes towards answers. Just like too much natural realization at once can be overwhelming, i.e. in therapy confronting difficult trauma, I see how a bad trip and bad reaction can be really tough and have lasting effects. My close friend has had really awful experiences with all sorts too and has had to work hard to recover from their effects.

All in all, psychedelics are another tool in all of our quest for mental, internal peace. We all have something to confront, understand, and embrace, and I believe psychedelics, therapy, and interpersonal communication are all necessary ways to get there

[Natalidae]

thank you all so much for sharing your stories around psych use

this discussion reminds me of a study I saw where mindfulness/meditation techniques were taught in a school and it flopped big time - kids who had baseline elevated depressive symptoms actually spiraled because of this program - they realized that enhanced awareness of their bodies and environment made things worse if their environment was unsafe to begin with

https://ebmh.bmj.com/content/25/3/117

definitely a case of government intervention that only served to help people internalize a problem capitalism helped to create - I mean, if everyone needs therapy in some form... then maybe it's not an individual problem that an internal hero's journey can solve? it seems like cruelty to serve people mindfulness instead of actual safety/food security, etc.

[wilandhugs]

Natalidae wrote:

thank you all so much for sharing your stories around psych use

this discussion reminds me of a study I saw where mindfulness/meditation techniques were taught in a school and it flopped big time - kids who had baseline elevated depressive symptoms actually spiraled because of this program - they realized that enhanced awareness of their bodies and environment made things worse if their environment was unsafe to begin with

https://ebmh.bmj.com/content/25/3/117

definitely a case of government intervention that only served to help people internalize a problem capitalism helped to create - I mean, if everyone needs therapy in some form... then maybe it's not an individual problem that an internal hero's journey can solve? it seems like cruelty to serve people mindfulness instead of actual safety/food security, etc.

All in all, it just reframes the image of mindfulness based therapy too: that it's futile, and will only hurt kids, instead of looking at that bigger picture that their initial implementation of it was comedically opposed to Maslow's Hierarchy. It truly is the last step that humans can try to work towards in terms of their own growth, but that would likely work a lot better if people could obviously opt in at their own pace, and be cognizant of the steps that it takes to reach that sort of mindset. Ya know, boiling a frog and all that lol. Great perspectives to read in here-- and even greater to know how much these perspectives have been influenced by music!

[hypo's]

Sonic boom wrote:

hypo's wrote:

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

Legalization is the key in tandem with Information & smart usage advice .
Illegality is where the problems lie . Information . Information. Information .
Drug dealers don't always give the best information ....
There'll be a transition period , but ultimately it's the better route .

I think that I can ultimately agree with this/get over my personal hang-ups, but information and guidance only go so far

here we are in the age of information, using technology to communicate ideas while the world around us burns, and has been burning, despite all of the relevant information that has been so readily available for so long

ppl r dumb and stubborn but yeah jail/prison doesn't much help :/

what a world! :/

[zebrahman]

hypo's wrote:

Natalidae wrote:

Sonic boom wrote:

I wouldn't give anyone Psychedelics if I didn't know them well or unless I was prepared to be there in person with them during that experience . Psychedelics should be treated with a deep respect & for some , I do not believe it should necessarily be used easily .

thank you for saying this - sometimes I think about those scenes in the Daniel Johnston documentary and it still makes me mad

str8 up

there is momentum towards legalizing shrooms in denver and I'm not sure how I feel about it, vaguely speaking

I don't think that people should go to jail etc for possessing/using such drugs but I don't think that it should be as easy as buying rec weed now

can easily be life-changing/heavy shit, and I do think that this fact is lost on a lot of ppl, as it was lost on me when I first tried heavy psychedelics, which arguably ruined my life or at least set me back years

hadn't heard of MAPS but I am on board now, thanks again mr boom, will check out

Dude, prohibition and illegalization of mushrooms is insane, it's not going to help anyone, nor prevent anyone from experimenting lol.

I don't think using the government as a surrogate parental system that tells us what to do or not to do is the solution to anything at all, to be honest, let alone just speaking on psychedelics...

[Cooper]

Both meditation and psychs should be something in the dusty corner of the zeitgeist that you have to pull up a ladder to reach, and you need a key (of research) to open the box. All the pop-docs on them are scaring me. Socially speaking of course- I had no trouble getting shrooms at 16 despite prohibition

Anyways, SB, just heard the song Soul 1 for the first time and it is beautiful

Spoiler: show

Random thought- I think there is a supremely heavy darkness that makes up the universe, and if one cannot jive with that they cannot enjoy psychedelics. You have to have faith in the pursuit of light despite that heavy primordial violence inherent in everything. Not saying this is the only reason for bad trips though u know, things are chaotic

Not making value judgements there just thinking about good and evil, joy and horror etc.

[zebrahman]

Cooper wrote:

Both meditation and psychs should be something in the dusty corner of the zeitgeist that you have to pull up a ladder to reach, and you need a key (of research) to open the box. All the pop-docs on them are scaring me. Socially speaking of course- I had no trouble getting shrooms at 16 despite prohibition

Anyways, SB, just heard the song Soul 1 for the first time and it is beautiful

Nah, human beings should be able to make their own decisions and their own mistakes, and they're able to do so anyways--that's how growth happens. Lol.

[zebrahman]

I don't understand the gatekeeper mentality around experimentation with psychedelics, it comes across like an arbitrary attempt to appeal to an imaginary authority or conform everything to some imaginary standard of responsibility. Just let others do as they wish, because they will anyways, let others take their own risks. The answer is more freedom, that's the message of psychedelics, breaking-down restrictive mental categories and opening to the natural world as it is, unbound and beyond intellectualization and control.

I'm glad that I didn't have to go see a shrink or apply for a permit to eat mushrooms when I was in my "coming of age" years, I learned more that way. Lol

[Avey Tane]

I had a rough introduction to psychedelics and I am glad it didn't sour me on them or trigger a serious break of any sort.TW My brother said "welcome to hell" and pretended he was gonna stab me with a screwdriver. He'd hide it behind his back and pretend he was going to do it again. He fell asleep before I did and I sent him a picture of him with a knife in the foreground. He later treated that like a serious violation which maybe it was but--??

Had great trips years later on mushrooms and acid but these things are decisions you should consider could be a lasting commitment of your mind and spirit

[Avey Tane]

Forgot about my av jfc

[Cooper]

zebrahman wrote:

Cooper wrote:

Both meditation and psychs should be something in the dusty corner of the zeitgeist that you have to pull up a ladder to reach, and you need a key (of research) to open the box. All the pop-docs on them are scaring me. Socially speaking of course- I had no trouble getting shrooms at 16 despite prohibition

Anyways, SB, just heard the song Soul 1 for the first time and it is beautiful

Nah, human beings should be able to make their own decisions and their own mistakes, and they're able to do so anyways--that's how growth happens. Lol.

Your post doesn’t contradict mine at all. I’m talking about the way they’re treated socially, not legally. You should have to seek them out yourself, because they’re dangerous and you should WANT to do them before you do them

[zebrahman]

Cooper wrote:

zebrahman wrote:

Cooper wrote:

Both meditation and psychs should be something in the dusty corner of the zeitgeist that you have to pull up a ladder to reach, and you need a key (of research) to open the box. All the pop-docs on them are scaring me. Socially speaking of course- I had no trouble getting shrooms at 16 despite prohibition

Anyways, SB, just heard the song Soul 1 for the first time and it is beautiful

Nah, human beings should be able to make their own decisions and their own mistakes, and they're able to do so anyways--that's how growth happens. Lol.

Your post doesn’t contradict mine at all. I’m talking about the way they’re treated socially. You should have to seek them out yourself, because they’re dangerous and you should WANT to do them before you do them

Alcohol is dangerous and yet it's available at the corner store, cars are dangerous man... Lol. I don't get this argument "psychedelics are dangerous..." really? Or, are people just afraid of them? I've been around people who have taken copious--not just casual--amounts of psychedelics a-lot in my life, and I've yet to see anyone who was terribly damaged by their experimentation. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it happens a-lot less than someone driving headfirst into oncoming traffic while they're drunk. I think it's more accurate to say that psychedelics can be very frightening, but physically speaking, they're pretty fucking safe.

Also it is a slight contradiction because I'm saying whether you have to seek them out intentionally or not, you should be able to. Whether the argument is that they should be regulated or that they should be slightly difficult to come across, it's still some form of trying to control the access individuals have to them and that's what I'm saying is, from my view, unnecessary.

[Cooper]

^for sure. I think that psychs should be cultirally, reverently gatekept at least to the point that everyone understands the parameters of a safe trip before they experiment, and nobody treats them like a source of pleasure or fun, even if those are two enjoyable side effects. At least for the first time. I agree I don’t think they should be hard to come by. Just saying they should be put on a very high pedestal in terms of recreational drug use

Everyone should hear a horror story about psychs before they try them, and if they still want to use them then they can probably handle them. I wish this cynicism wasn’t necessary, would be great to trip with total innocence but we live in a grubby world filled with latent darkness

[zebrahman]

Cooper wrote:

^for sure. I think that psychs should be cultirally, reverently gatekept at least to the point that everyone understands the parameters of a safe trip before they experiment, and nobody treats them like a source of pleasure or fun, even if those are two enjoyable side effects. At least for the first time. I agree I don’t think they should be hard to come by. Just saying they should be put on a very high pedestal in terms of recreational drug use

Yeah, that sentiment generally speaking I can agree with, I don't think they should be gatekept, but I think that if anything it should be made very clear that they can be very unpredictable and aren't always just an easy time or pleasurable, and that the experiences can be very intense and frightening, that way we're more informed about what we're taking. For someone like myself I actually wanted to explore what it was like to change my brain and see reality in different ways so I've never had a problem with it going in those directions, but I have seen that a-lot of the "bad trips" I've witnessed people having, have been people who thought it would be like smoking a bowl or treated it as if it was. Lol.

[zebrahman]

Since this discussion began with Sonic Boom mentioning MAPS, I'd just like to include my personal feeling that as much positivity as there is in what MAPS is doing, I also think it's leading to some confusion because although representing psychedelic drugs as psychotherapeutic instruments is a useful way of opening-up potential for research and helping distressed or seemingly crippled human beings (who have been failed by the other legally sanctioned forms of treatment), it's also a kind-of mischaracterization of what psychedelics are, as-if psychedelics are just a form of psychiatric medicine, and not many other things, like a tool for exploring anomalous and mystical states of being, uncharted territories, as well as, yes--also, just a fun, freeing, wild time, sometimes, and all those are things which ought to be part of the liberty of any individual human being to do what they please with too, without being punished. We're arguing for access to a medicine but it's not just about access to a medicine, it's about our right to be wild and free and have fun and explore what it means to be a human being too. That's something worth fighting for, too. Lol. And, I feel like it's such an important part of what psychedelics have shown me in my life.

I see the attitude that the "status quo" brandishes towards psychedelics as basically an extension of the same attitude that the Christian church had towards gnostic heretics who claimed that they could know God firsthand for themselves, without an intermediary priest, without a formal institution... it's not really about protecting anyone or safety, it's more about a taboo about what is and isn't okay to experience, because some experiences threaten a common narrative.

Apologies for "going off," but I have some strong feelings about the topic so felt like sharing. Be well everyone! Night-night. haha

[Natalidae]

zebrahman wrote:

I'm glad that I didn't have to go see a shrink or apply for a permit to eat mushrooms when I was in my "coming of age" years, I learned more that way. Lol

heh that sounds like a terrible idea doesn't it? so many shrinks seem like agents of the state in the worst sort of way

zebrahman wrote:

I see the attitude that the "status quo" brandishes towards psychedelics as basically an extension of the same attitude that the Christian church had towards gnostic heretics who claimed that they could know God firsthand for themselves, without an intermediary priest, without a formal institution... it's not really about protecting anyone or safety, it's more about a taboo about what is and isn't okay to experience, because some experiences threaten a common narrative.

it's not just the status quo gatekeeping others from having experiences that threaten their narrative of dominance, it's also people who seem like outsiders making your very same argument of freedom to explore like Carlos Castaneda (who preyed upon vulnerable women)... so tricky to untangle... anything is better than punishing people that use drugs obvs

[Sonic boom]

This is a complex & contentious subject . But that's what we're working with .
Opinions don't really matter . We all got one , and if mines important why not the Billions of others ?Thoughts , feelings , reactions , saying - are just poppin' spit .
Actions is where the differences are made . Make it about what you do , not what you say .

MAPS have been doing that for 35 long slow years . They are not trying to stop people doing psychedelics - they are just focussing their inherent potential to fix people in a traumatised state .
As long as business is king & war is it's tool , we're gonna see no shortage of those in need . It's not a solution , but it's a big part of one , and if you can show me someone doing it another way with the same levels of success , I'll be equally as down .
We researched it deeply for some weeks , because We wanted to feel the money we were passing on was genuinely useful & not wasted in the often exaggerated infrastructure of charities .
As long as MAPS is fixing people we'll donate significantly from our income from this record . We want to record to be part of the process , but MAPS is the cutting edge that we stand behind .

[Sonic boom]

Cooper wrote:

Anyways, SB, just heard the song Soul 1 for the first time and it is beautiful

Thank you . Jason can take the credit there for that awesome slide guitar .

Very "I got the blues" from Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers ....
...still takes me down fast & let's me up real slow ...pure Memphis via Muscle Shoals

[wilandhugs]

My hang up with psych legalization is always just education. Education has to come just as rapidly and with legalization of any drug in my opinion, and it's something we really bungle in the sea of absolute confusion that's the internet nowadays. Sure anyone can be free to do what they want, but I still prefer to live in a world where risky and dangerous choices come with guidance for the vast majority of people who don't know how to navigate them. Not saying you need a license to do psychs or that the state should be the guardian, but rather that letting orgs like MAPS hehe "map' out an understanding of their usage in a non-anecdotal way (which, we have needed for Cannabis research since like cannabis research was banned in the US) while they're being legalized would set a tone for healthy usage.

[tdegenaro]

this thread is really strayin' lol

[preakness]

New single this week???

[Sonic boom]

preakness wrote:

New single this week???

Yup , you know the spot ....

[Stan]

Go On was a Weds IIRC, so fingers crossed!

[awesome]

dope, looking fwd 2 it

[birdmangus]

I can’t believe we’re getting Edge of the Edge tomorrow

[Provanities]

Is this the mexicaner one?