[CampfireBeast]

clayton. jesus. lolling.

[CokePotCrack]

PLAY IT WHILE THEY ARE TRIPPING AND THEY WONT NOT KNOW HOW TO DISLIKE NOTHING ABOUT IT I KNOW IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE drug MUSIC BUT SHIT GOES TOGETHER ALL TOO WELL GUUUUYYYYZZZZ

[Panda Tatari]

Never tried to talk about AC with anyone, only been a few years since I really got into them. I must confess I hated the band years ago but slowly got into them after hearing more of their songs on the radio(bbc 6 music) Checked out Person Pitch and Feels and loved them and the rest is history as they say.

I have always been into weird music with Boredoms, Zappa, Beefheart etc so it can be pretty lonely being a fan of acts like this and AC as well. It is not top 40 music, it can be strange and off putting for people to like.

Most people want to hear songs about being happy such as that twat pharrell Williams or love songs like Adele, not that I am opposed to love songs or happy songs as such but it is just very bland and safe in terms of structure when done by artists like this.

I have the same problem with the films as I like films that make me think and can be challenging,depressing or weird rather then this blockbuster crap.

[jfw7]

Please don't put down other people's taste especially when contrasting against basically the """experimental""" equivalent of top 40. I'm glad you like the art you like but there's plenty of room to do that without diminishing stuff that means a lot to other people

Also I hope ac gets lost to the ages and doesn't turn into 2040's captain beefheart (yawn)

[jfw7]

i'm not contrarian but pharrell is a far more competent drummer than panda bear and avey tare should have reached out to him to feature on his first solo record (although pharrell was obviously busy with clipse and kelis back then)

[Dallou]

All of my friends like ac. Without Beeing crazy fan like us but they all dig thé band

[Stanshant]

jfw7 wrote:

Please don't put down other people's taste especially when contrasting against basically the """experimental""" equivalent of top 40. I'm glad you like the art you like but there's plenty of room to do that without diminishing stuff that means a lot to other people

Also I hope ac gets lost to the ages and doesn't turn into 2040's captain beefheart (yawn)

I agree with this. I suspect he's a young chap, so I'll hold my hands up and say I was a bit of a 'discerning' wanker as a teenager and in my early 20s, thinking I had better taste than other people. I mean, I still do but I just don't say it.

I also agree about how dull those 60s and 70s stalwarts are but I think it's probably more media saturation and the 'Rolling Stone-approved weirdo' tag which turns me off. I feel the same about Radiohead. They're basically Maroon 5 for bedwetters.

I'm aware of the irony between the first and second paragraph of this post.

[Panda Tatari]

jfw7 wrote:

Please don't put down other people's taste especially when contrasting against basically the """experimental""" equivalent of top 40. I'm glad you like the art you like but there's plenty of room to do that without diminishing stuff that means a lot to other people

Also I hope ac gets lost to the ages and doesn't turn into 2040's captain beefheart (yawn)

Is this a response to my post? If so I never put down anyones taste, I have no problem if someone likes Adele for example. I am not some sort of snob elitist who thinks the music he listens to is superior. I can enjoy the top 40 song/band every now and then but it is not what I enjoy in general and why should I not say if a artist is shit or not. Pharrell acts like a complete dickhead so it is justified, I said nothing about Adele as she seems like a nice lady.

[BiblePilot]

I agree with the general sentiment here that it's not worth evangelizing Animal Collective's music too much, people like what they like.

That said, there is at least one major misconception of their music that frustrates me. A lot of people think this music is weird for weird's sake, but these guys have real heart and deal with real human emotions. Feels contains the most romantic lyrics I've ever read, brilliantly capturing the rush of the early stages of love. Strawberry Jam resonates with me in large part because of Dave's lyrics about alienation and a desire for human connection. "Brother Sport" as a plea for Panda's brother to let go of their father's death and not let it destroy him. Dave grappling with his personal life on Down There, Noah confronting his anxieties of fatherhood and fallibility on "You Can Count on Me". I could go on.

I totally get how it's easy to miss this, since yeah, AC do make relatively weird songs. But it's very thoughtful, emotional, deeply human music too.

[Panda Tatari]

BiblePilot wrote:

I agree with the general sentiment here that it's not worth evangelizing Animal Collective's music too much, people like what they like.

That said, there is at least one major misconception of their music that frustrates me. A lot of people think this music is weird for weird's sake, but these guys have real heart and deal with real human emotions. Feels contains the most romantic lyrics I've ever read, brilliantly capturing the rush of the early stages of love. Strawberry Jam resonates with me in large part because of Dave's lyrics about alienation and a desire for human connection. "Brother Sport" as a plea for Panda's brother to let go of their father's death and not let it destroy him. Dave grappling with his personal life on Down There, Noah confronting his anxieties of fatherhood and fallibility on "You Can Count on Me". I could go on.

I totally get how it's easy to miss this, since yeah, AC do make relatively weird songs. But it's very thoughtful, emotional, deeply human music too.

I agree with AC you get the best of both worlds catchy hooks but a little bit different it terms of structure but it does contain great emotion in terms of lyrics and the vocals, same thing with person pitch and the rest of pandas solo stuff. nothing wrong with being weird for weird sake imo but if you can add depth to in with emotion then it makes it better.

[BiblePilot]

Panda Tatari wrote:

nothing wrong with being weird for weird sake imo but if you can add depth to in with emotion then it makes it better.

Totally. And to be fair, they do have some projects that are pretty fucking out there lyrically (basically everything between Spirit and Feels). And that's all great music too, on some days HCTI is my favorite AC record. Just saying that a lot of non-fans miss the band's humanity.

[destiny]

you shouldnt call ac experimental top 40...wat the fuck...my guys can barely listen to shit b4 tongs

[jfw7]

i meant more "Boredoms, Zappa, Beefheart"

i mean sure go for it and love what you love but these are not especially obscure items

[Dallou]

the guy just said "weird", he never said "I am only into obscure stuff man".

And these bands are pretty obscure to those who don't really care about music, but who cares.

[jfw7]

I bet a lot more people's dads here know who frank Zappa is than ph. williams

[Panda Tatari]

YoYoTaco wrote:

Why do you use people's dads as a gauge of "obscurity"? My mom doesn't know any of those artists. (neither does my dad)

Besides, considering the broadness of the term "experimental", Pharrell can also be considered ""experimental top 40"" lol (and he wrote "Blurred Lines", so he's trash - plz don't ever collab with ph williams, AC)

Experimental is a vague term, some people have not clearly understood my initial post. I am all for catcy hooks, lyrics with emotion but done a bit more creativity. I do listen to music that is a bit more noisy, without structure but that is not all the time. AC can combine the two, so could CAN in terms of being different but still catchy. I like Amy Winehouse for example she was top 40 all day long. Some artists who are good can crack the top 40 like her or their are others like backstreet boys etc who are bland and terrible

how hard can it be?

[jfw7]

YoYoTaco wrote:

Why do you use people's dads as a gauge of "obscurity"? My mom doesn't know any of those artists. (neither does my dad)

my dad was frank zappa's transcriptionist when he was 18 and started touring with him on guitar at 20

[jfw7]

also tatari i probably went about it the wrong way but i was trying to gently correct you so you didn't sound quite as immature or whatever about "weird" music vs "pop" music. idk what this thread is even about (it's 2 years old? i posted in it already, also about rockism?) but it seems like it's kind of the opposite of your point anyway—how can you convince your friends who don't like ac that it's worth a chance?

it's clearly a tough line to walk, trying to make fun of someone who's making fun of other people's taste in music by making fun of their taste in music. sorry for being mean-spirited.

[Panda Tatari]

No worries, I think I did come across as a snob/idiot a bit in my initial post which was not what I intended. I just did not think. I was posting in here as to say there is no point trying to convince friends to listen to the type of music you like as it can mostly fall on deaf ears and also it is not nice to be forced into something.

Also it can be quite lonely if your friends are into other music then you but we have sites like this to chat about AC.

[terrestrialjane]

Im sorry for folks who dont get animal collective ... oh well more for us ...

[Sefed Jones]

i just wanna say i put on daffy duck for the first time in Years and cried so fucking hard
even if they're not currently my favourite band i think i'll always answer Animal Collective as my favourite band of all time. definition "before their time". listening to some shit like Screens from the ODDSAC soundtrack knocks me on my ass like, goddamn these dudes knew their way around a song but they actively avoided regular percussion/song structure/everything in common with a typical song. that counts too, you could trust on the boys in Animal Collective to throw some fresh riddims atcha. at the same time it'd be ignorant to think there wasn't a solid-ass song behind some synth fuckery like Water Curses but who cares since they were able to nail the textures so hard. yo, they have a fucking member devoted just to SOUNDS as if that's not the most futuristic shit you've ever thought of. they're musical Tim and Eric for better or for worse, 2006-2008 i would have trusted them with Anything, take my baby Avey. raise my baby Panda. bless you sweet boys

[denjanenna]

jfw7 wrote:

YoYoTaco wrote:

Why do you use people's dads as a gauge of "obscurity"? My mom doesn't know any of those artists. (neither does my dad)

my dad was frank zappa's transcriptionist when he was 18 and started touring with him on guitar at 20

wait…WHAT?! that’s amazing

I’m 6 years late to this comment

who the fuck is your dad jfw7?
you can PM if you don’t wanna post your dad’s full name lol

[jfw7]

um I guess following the logic of that post my dad would be Steve Vai but in real life my dad is a retired oncologist. I’m not sure what posting style I was going for back in 2016 but since I see myself apologizing for being mean spirited I assume it was not great

[Fovrodi]

Hahahahaha

[denjanenna]

jfw7 wrote:

um I guess following the logic of that post my dad would be Steve Vai but in real life my dad is a retired oncologist. I’m not sure what posting style I was going for back in 2016 but since I see myself apologizing for being mean spirited I assume it was not great

i should’ve checked for context

[hypo's]

lol

[popparen]

As a teen I tried to convert my friends because I was absolutely certain they would love it eventually, and the only time they didn't hate it with a passion was when they were tripping. Played them WWIW?S and when the song was over one of them opened their eyes and said "play it again please"

Afterward they went back to hating it again

[roopn]

when u pass me the aux and promptly hock and spit it feels like “fuck you”

[onn]

seeing this thread feels anachronistic. The friction between AC being the big hot indie thing and people wanting to "get it" but not "getting it" felt like it defined the public attitude so much back then. Feels like we've moved past it, and it feels like the band have moved past it.