[scrambledgreggs]

yeah I dunno, maybe I just don't like Car Keys and that was the first new one in the set and it kind of set the mood. the instrumentation wasn't really doing it for me. Dragon Slayer is great and seems like a definite grower, and Soul Capturer sounds really sweet (and has those Feelsy droning strings which I'm hyped for). I'm not at all concerned because I remember hearing a lot of the new stuff at Desert Daze in 2019 and it all sounded absolutely colossal back then, even though it was low to mid-tempo and mixed in with Grass and For Reverend Green. it was just something about the energy at the start of this show that seemed a bit too laid-back. even the hype moment of In the Flowers sounded a bit dull

[Tropic]

I thought the p4k setlist was a bit of a snoozefest tbh. Kind of stunned with that selection of tracks

[Cooper]

hybrination wrote:

I feel weird watching this, have they changed, have I changed, have we all changed? I just can't get into this anymore and I can't place exactly why

I think the door to the emotional world of AC has been bolted shut by the dehumanizing advertisement hellworld trauma of the modern digital world. They’re still messing with real emotional daydream fantasy stuff. I’ve accepted that those kinds of emotions are gonna be a lot more rare for me and it’s allowed me to appreciate AC on a different level, one that’s more focused on artistic merit than spiritual truth telling

It’s kinda like, how much is this deep magic really gonna touch you if you’re addicted to social media. Everything has become a lot more about hinting at depth via surface-level immediacy. It’s why everyone is so obsessed with liminal spaces now. I’m too overstimulated to feel the abstract truth of a cool fall day, you know what I mean?

Maybe this is all specific to me

[hybrination]

Cooper wrote:

hybrination wrote:

I feel weird watching this, have they changed, have I changed, have we all changed? I just can't get into this anymore and I can't place exactly why

I think the door to the emotional world of AC has been bolted shut by the dehumanizing advertisement hellworld trauma of the modern digital world. They’re still messing with real emotional daydream fantasy stuff. I’ve accepted that those kinds of emotions are gonna be a lot more rare for me and it’s allowed me to appreciate AC on a different level, one that’s more focused on artistic merit than spiritual truth telling

It’s kinda like, how much is this deep magic really gonna touch you if you’re addicted to social media. Everything has become a lot more about hinting at depth via surface-level immediacy. It’s why everyone is so obsessed with liminal spaces now. I’m too overstimulated to feel the abstract truth of a cool fall day, you know what I mean?

Maybe this is all specific to me

I think I partly agree, but I also think for me it's less about wanting more "surface level immediacy" and the well trod critique about the modern technological landscape and more that I prefer work that's directly confronting the harshness of reality and while also keeping in view the abstracted truths just beyond it. There is a juxtaposition you can find there that is incredibly effective, incredibly powerful.

with animal collective, the abstracted aloofness was whatfelt transcendent, the implication of tender, unnameable spaces at the tip of the tongue. I think I will always have an appreciation for how they navigated that space, but their attempts at immediacy feel less powerful and that sort of pure aloofness starts to feel indulgent now.

[Cooper]

Those are definitely all things that I’ve thought about them before. But idk, I still like them hehe. I really do see that tenderness in songs like soul capture and defeat

[Stories and Games]

i do think it's worth noting that they've always had a bit of an issue with getting their new material to come across properly live, especially when it's directly juxtaposed with older stuff that they know inside and out, and *especially* especially when they're playing with a more organic live setup. case in point, the 2012 utrecht show where they're playing my girls in the encore and then segue into amanita to close the show. i think amanita is a wayyy better song than my girls, but i can't deny that the energy totally dissipates as soon as the song starts. amanita was still too new for them to quite know how to properly sell it live, yknow? it's basically just the studio version without the well-mixed sound tapestries and sheer energy they were able to manufacture in a studio setting. i think this is a pretty comparable situation, and yeah it does make for a less stunning show, one where you do sorta have to bear with them a bit.

[Stories and Games]

also my 2 cents on the general sound of the new material.. what i really dig about songs like slayer, car keys, gem and i, and we go back is this snappy, playful spark that they have; they sound like they're made out of colored wooden blocks. to me that playfulness is a unique transcendent quality that makes them not just sound like normal songs with normal instrumentation, tho of course it'll sound different to everyone.

and then on the other hand, stuff like downdowndown, prester john, and the new strangers have this dense, swampy, stateliness to them. they feel like liquid songs, while slayer and car keys and whatnot are solid songs. i think that yin/yang contrast is really compelling, and also i think the liquid songs are the ones that are really coming across properly in a live setting, interestingly.

[hybrination]

Cooper wrote:

Those are definitely all things that I’ve thought about them before. But idk, I still like them hehe. I really do see that tenderness in songs like soul capture and defeat

yeah I think I still like them too, just remember watching live shows from pre mpp and feeling sometimes moved to tears to watching this now and feeling very cold. it's a weird thing to be a changing being in a changing world

[ingenue]

Cooper wrote:

hybrination wrote:

I feel weird watching this, have they changed, have I changed, have we all changed? I just can't get into this anymore and I can't place exactly why

I think the door to the emotional world of AC has been bolted shut by the dehumanizing advertisement hellworld trauma of the modern digital world. They’re still messing with real emotional daydream fantasy stuff. I’ve accepted that those kinds of emotions are gonna be a lot more rare for me and it’s allowed me to appreciate AC on a different level, one that’s more focused on artistic merit than spiritual truth telling

It’s kinda like, how much is this deep magic really gonna touch you if you’re addicted to social media. Everything has become a lot more about hinting at depth via surface-level immediacy. It’s why everyone is so obsessed with liminal spaces now. I’m too overstimulated to feel the abstract truth of a cool fall day, you know what I mean?

Maybe this is all specific to me

Great post.

[rampface]

I split the Pitchfork set if anyone wants to post it in the all shows thread

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https://www.mediafire.com/file/wm0twi8oy6e63b6/Animal_Collective_-_Pitchfork_2021.rar/file

[dio]

I might consider myself lucky that im always just as stoked as ever on their freshest stuff. Maybe I got into them right after the window when I would have been especially blown away by one of the early eras that I would have kind of fixated on one as being a pinnacle emotional peak for the band... I got into them late '08 when they had already gone thru soooooo many drastic changes in style and approach that thats how I've always understood them... amorphous af, in a good way for me at least...


I think I see them as like characters in some super long running tv show or something and I just love to see what this lil cast of characters (musicians) is up to over the years.


I will say, this p4k Dancer seemed off or sumn..sounded way better to me on the Asheville boot. Pandas drum seemed like... tuned wrong? anyway. I love it all, gimme moar

[Hellomark]

There's been a lot of great discussion in this thread.. gotta say I don't know if I hear the traditional "dad rock"ness of these songs as much as others, but I do see where people are coming from with that. There's a synth line that goes through most of Dragon Slayer that sounds ripped straight from a Rush album. But I guess really I'm just personally really into all the proggy, new agey synth sounds they've been using and feel like it matches their songs very well. Its been exciting to see them push their musicianship to new levels. When they basically switch up their sonic pallette with each album cycle, it makes total sense to me that they would land on something like this eventually, especially at this point in their careers. They are all in their 40s now afterall. The important thing to me is that their songwriting still feels strong and uniquely them, like that pre chorus "your enemies change their minds" part in Dragon Slayer sounds like classic Avey to me, the way it sort of pulls the rug out from under the listener and breaks up the hypnotic verses that preceded it. In a way I can't imagine where they'll go after this era, the level of commitment it must have taken for them to compose and play these songs feels like a culmination of sorts to me, would be sick if they put away the traditional instruments after this one and made something way noisy and abstract, maybe not likely but you never know with them!

[destiny]

its different strokes for different folks for sure. this shit is and will always be heavily affecting me and i grew up deep within the trenches of desensitization and meaninglessness that people find themselves in now on the internet. i can see what you saying though, your point about liminal spaces is bang fuckin on to me.

hybrination wrote:

with animal collective, the abstracted aloofness was whatfelt transcendent, the implication of tender, unnameable spaces at the tip of the tongue. I think I will always have an appreciation for how they navigated that space, but their attempts at immediacy feel less powerful and that sort of pure aloofness starts to feel indulgent now.

its interesting that you note pureness of maybe naivety(?) in their songs but i never heard that personally in their songs, sans sung tongs era stuff. i always thought they were straight forward fellas that had a weird sense of humor but a common narrative gave them the perception of being childlike. im sorry if this is unrelated btw HAHA

[destiny]

Hellomark wrote:

The important thing to me is that their songwriting still feels strong and uniquely them, like that pre chorus "your enemies change their minds" part in Dragon Slayer sounds like classic Avey to me, the way it sort of pulls the rug out from under the listener and breaks up the hypnotic verses that preceded it.

HAHAH, this is so true.

[captainlunatic]

there's a physicality to this material, not just in the songwriting, which is superb, but also in how everyone in the group is working together... it's different and fresh, and intense in a subtle way. yeah, the difference in energy between prester john and purple bottle is obvious, but there's an intentionality that runs through both of them that's electrifying all the same!

[scummy]

cannot stop listening to this version of Prester John

[rampface]

Prester John better be a single

[ingenue]

captainlunatic wrote:

there's a physicality to this material, not just in the songwriting, which is superb, but also in how everyone in the group is working together... it's different and fresh, and intense in a subtle way. yeah, the difference in energy between prester john and purple bottle is obvious, but there's an intentionality that runs through both of them that's electrifying all the same!

100%

[Cooper]

Sorry I didn’t realize how much of a downer that post I made up there was lol.

Did anyone stay all 3 days? Flying Lotus last night was my best concert experience ever. Either he was playing a bunch of random 10/10 underground stuff I don’t know or he’s about to drop an aphex-tier album. Maybe it was just the flourishes he puts in big PA shows but it felt really new and special.

[captainlunatic]

i would love to have gone this year... i've seen flylo live once and thought he killed it, but that was years ago now, i wanna say the "you're dead" era. whatever he's up to now sounds good though

[captainlunatic]

is it just me or is that a dark souls sound at the beginning of the soul capturer here?

[speen]

i swear i know every sound in the dark souls series by heart and i dont think i hear what you're talking about... the swooshy sound at the beginning kind of resembles the sound effect that plays when you summon someone or you're invaded, if that's what youre thinking of

[hybrination]

lmao is soul capturer about dark souls??

[coral lord]

Cooper wrote:

Sorry I didn’t realize how much of a downer that post I made up there was lol.

Did anyone stay all 3 days? Flying Lotus last night was my best concert experience ever. Either he was playing a bunch of random 10/10 underground stuff I don’t know or he’s about to drop an aphex-tier album. Maybe it was just the flourishes he puts in big PA shows but it felt really new and special.

Thank you for bringing this up because I’ve been thinking about his set constantly since last night. The first 30 minutes all seemed like new material and I was out of my mind listening to it. If it was new album stuff then he’s about to drop an absolute classic. Felt really accessible too.

[captainlunatic]

speen wrote:

i swear i know every sound in the dark souls series by heart and i dont think i hear what you're talking about... the swooshy sound at the beginning kind of resembles the sound effect that plays when you summon someone or you're invaded, if that's what youre thinking of

that sound is probably the one my brain was trying to connect with the sound at the beginning of soul capturer, yeah. maybe that's not it, but it sounds really familiar and kind of video gamey like it's a sample. could just be a lo-fi synth sound i guess, lol

[captainlunatic]

hybrination wrote:

lmao is soul capturer about dark souls??

noah does like his playstation... you never know

[Stories and Games]

stream recording got taken off youtube

[Leogan]

Cooper wrote:

Sorry I didn’t realize how much of a downer that post I made up there was lol.

Did anyone stay all 3 days? Flying Lotus last night was my best concert experience ever. Either he was playing a bunch of random 10/10 underground stuff I don’t know or he’s about to drop an aphex-tier album. Maybe it was just the flourishes he puts in big PA shows but it felt really new and special.

Flying Lotus set was a banger and Erykah Badu felt like a nice finish for the whole fest.

[rohcti]

Flylo just keeps getting better and better. Bummed I never got to see him live yet

[rohcti]

rampface wrote:

I split the Pitchfork set if anyone wants to post it in the all shows thread

Code: Select all

https://www.mediafire.com/file/wm0twi8oy6e63b6/Animal_Collective_-_Pitchfork_2021.rar/file

Hey thanks. Some monster took the set off of Youtube

[Tropic]

That Prester John performance could and should be a standalone P4K video

[jerry wonder]

is there a full recording of the show in which Royale and Fickle Cycle are not cut? That was literally the most beautiful part of the show...

[ingenue]

rampface wrote:

I split the Pitchfork set if anyone wants to post it in the all shows thread

Code: Select all

https://www.mediafire.com/file/wm0twi8oy6e63b6/Animal_Collective_-_Pitchfork_2021.rar/file

Groovy. Thank you.

[rohcti]

Rampface killing it this week

[OliverTwist606]

Anyone still have the video of the stream? It was on YouTube but now its gone.

[tealtimes]

OliverTwist606 wrote:

Anyone still have the video of the stream? It was on YouTube but now its gone.

I have parts of it, I was able to get Prester John up on Vimeo

[dansemanatee]

damn dude I can't believe it's been a year...

that was my first ac show I saw them twice after that and was supposed to see them last month in chicago and indy

such a good set. got to see skiffs stuff before it came out and the fact that they played fickle cycle AND unsolved mysteries...

looking forward to whenever they go on tour again

[hedgecore]

dansemanatee wrote:

damn dude I can't believe it's been a year...

that was my first ac show I saw them twice after that and was supposed to see them last month in chicago and indy

such a good set. got to see skiffs stuff before it came out and the fact that they played fickle cycle AND unsolved mysteries...

looking forward to whenever they go on tour again

super jelly you got to see them play Fickle Cycle. that's a dream. and too bad the video stream cut out during it

[dansemanatee]

hedgecore wrote:

dansemanatee wrote:

damn dude I can't believe it's been a year...

that was my first ac show I saw them twice after that and was supposed to see them last month in chicago and indy

such a good set. got to see skiffs stuff before it came out and the fact that they played fickle cycle AND unsolved mysteries...

looking forward to whenever they go on tour again

super jelly you got to see them play Fickle Cycle. that's a dream. and too bad the video stream cut out during it

yea it was amazing. when i saw them in madison in july someone yelled for them to play it and deak said "you wish" lol