[Andrew_VB]

jetski wrote:

Sort of surprised by the backlash to the vinyl only release. It's not unheard of for labels to do physical only even nowadays

yeah really. this is a thing plenty of artists and labels do. even animal collective have vinyl only releases.

[rohcti]

jetski wrote:

Sort of surprised by the backlash to the vinyl only release. It's not unheard of for labels to do physical only even nowadays

It might seem weirdly limiting, since you need a turntable to listen to it and you can't listen on the go. But that's totally not the intention as far as I can tell. Panda explained his reasoning in the article, he prefers for people to listen to it in a certain way for certain qualities to come across better. To me that's totally his prerogative...the idea that all music has to be readily available via streaming or downloads is like a universally accepted assumption nowadays but there's no reason it has to be that way. He's just trying something different, something special for fans to experience like thespectrum said

To me it's no different than stuff like Coral Orgy being live only, ODDSAC never being released as audio only, Pullhair Rubeye being released reversed, etc. It might seem antagonistic to fans because it's inconvenient but I don't see it like that at all...it's just something different. Obviously someone will rip the EP to digital so you'll still get to hear it even if you don't have a turntable, too.

Maybe some ppl are just upset because they want to hear a single and I can empathize, I wanna hear this stuff asap too, but at least we don't have to wait all that long

I agree with all this. The rest of you can stay flabbergasted.

[rohcti]

Stan wrote:

I genuinely just think it's a bit of a cringeworthy statement to only release on vinyl. Special edition, yeah. Limited early release, yeah. But no matter how much he wants to be an underground dance producer, he's not. He's ridden a wave of indie music in the 2000s, grew in confidence playing on Dave's amazing songs and eventually released his own amazing music, which he's still known for, and then some good music. He was on the last Daft Punk album. It's like Seinfeld going back to stand up.

ARE YOU MAD?

[jetski]

lol

[MarfaJazz]

Sometimes things are vinyl only. Sometimes things are digital only. Sometimes they're only on Soundcloud or on a cassette that's cryogenically frozen and shot in to space. Sometimes Martin Shkreli is the only dude who owns it.

There's lots of reasons to release things in different formats, both practical and personal. Nobody owes you shit, so maybe quit being a crybaby and pooping all over the thread. Just a thought.

[thespectrum]

second EP will be called 'A Night with the Homies' just wanna call that right now

[Ethmin]

or maybe, 'A Day with the Fam"

[speen]

An Evening with the Dudes

[Stan]

roark wrote:

Stan wrote:

I genuinely just think it's a bit of a cringeworthy statement to only release on vinyl. Special edition, yeah. Limited early release, yeah. But no matter how much he wants to be an underground dance producer, he's not. He's ridden a wave of indie music in the 2000s, grew in confidence playing on Dave's amazing songs and eventually released his own amazing music, which he's still known for, and then some good music. He was on the last Daft Punk album. It's like Seinfeld going back to stand up.

ARE YOU MAD?

YEAH


...


I'M MAD

[sound science]

dud wrote:

sound science wrote:

Would somebody be willing to recap which title is the official one for each track from the bootleg? Haven’t been following along there and am curious about the ordering.

flight = falling asleep at the wheel
part of the math = animal/vegetable/mineral aka open your eyes
shepard tone = force quit
nod to the folks = mystery stage aka free from it all
sunset is brand new

Thank you!

[roopn]

I reckon the supposed second EP will be released 2-4 months after this one, also vinyl only, then a cd/digital release will follow of them both as a double EP

[Tropic]

"A night with the po" and it will feature a Stanshant diss track

[lhtd]

thespectrum wrote:

second EP will be called 'A Night with the Homies' just wanna call that right now

lololol

[Argyle-Rings]

speen wrote:

An Evening with the Dudes

EP 2 called “Boys Night Out” confirmed

[dud]

LOL stan all of your posts today have been hilarious. laserdisc, jacob pastorious lol

[amatureadult]

I don't understand the hate for people who are upset that this is vinyl only.

Yeah Panda can do whatever he wants with his music, I don't think anyone thinks otherwise, but that doesn't mean that what he does with his music has to be loved by his fans. By releasing this EP on vinyl only, Panda is knowingly limiting his audience to people who can afford, or have the space for, a record player and limiting the amount of copies of this EP he can produce. Fans of his music that rely on streaming services like Spotify, however poorly those services treat artists, are being left out, and that really sucks, especially if you're part of a fan community that values owning and listening to everything AnCo has recorded. I think it's fair to critique his decision here, and people can do so without claiming Panda has no right to do this.

Likewise, I think putting out another physical release then combining the two into a streaming album is a bit of a dick move, if planned and rolled out in secret. While people who can't afford a record player might eventually be able to listen to the music, some people, worried they will miss out on some of their favorite artist's work, spend a lot of money not knowing that it will be eventually available for them even though they have more important financial obligations. You can critique this hypothetical person's priorities all you want, but think about the value of an artist who puts restrictive paywalls on their music rather than letting the most amount of people have access to their music.

On the flip side, it's just five songs and it's not like everything Panda does from now on is going to be vinyl exclusive (at least that we know of) so don't sweat it if this is something that's not available to you. Take this opportunity to seek out a new artist or go out to see a movie. There's so much content out there for you to enjoy, try to think of this as a way to more fully embrace whichever way you already listen to music.

[dio]

it's definitely odd to me that it doesn't come with a digital download. like it could be unavailable on like itunes and spotify but there could still be a freakin download code insert. that way u still have to get the vinyl whether you like it or not, but you would at least get a full-quality mp3 download. idk, its a bit odd and seems to assume a lot but i mean if that's what he wants. maybe this is the most/only cost-effective way to put out a release like this where its an EP and not an LP and it looks like there's a far smaller roll-out/marketing thing planned for it than PBVSGR had, similar to eucalyptus. could be wrong since its still 2 months off tho. idk, he should do cassette also honestly, i could play it in my old ass car

[zak]

1 lucky night w the homies

[atthetopsoftrees]

roopn wrote:

I reckon the supposed second EP will be released 2-4 months after this one, also vinyl only, then a cd/digital release will follow of them both as a double EP

That's a good theory, I can totally see that happening! Though I bet the second EP drops May/June with the double EP CD package November 2018. We'll see...

Even though I'm still a little bummed that this is vinyl only... I prefer that to the 1+ year wait for Tomboy/ the 2+ year wait for Grim Reaper to be released!

[diatomatix]

idk man, this whole debate's got me needing to crawl out from under the floorboards to share my 2 sense.

my main thing is don't forget about a key theme of "power" for this EP. yeah sure you can absolutely argue that PB is limiting his audience by releasing on vinyl only. i don't necessarily disagree with that. but it's a powerful choice. and it's thought out. you can argue aspects of "selling-out" in recent years but do you think PB would really get his panties in a bunch if you or anyone else ripped this disc to MP3? does AC get pissed when we share boots? do you think AC would throw you with some licensing charges if they caught you playing strawberry jam in the store you work at? you have the power to do that. you're the "filter." the "translator." the interpreter.

someone out there has the power and ability to rip a flac of Homies. you might not get that physical CD copy but it's (almost) literally no different from a shared download card or a digital download, other than the exchange of currency. and maybe this release is about something more than just the exchange of currency.

once released, the music is out of his hands and it's up to us to listen to it how we choose and see if it resonates. and hopefully this EP acts as a form of comfort to some, if not all. YOU can download it and bump it in your car, through the open air, (almost) as intended. or, you can put your earbuds in or put your grados on and listen. in doing that, you're displaying your own agency, your own power, and you can enjoy it. no one is stopping you!

we've all listened to pullhair rubeye "reversed," not the way it was "intended." and it's an experience! we've all listened to oddsac out of context with the music. harpy sketches got ripped. we've all heard danny's jam. and like who the fuck even has tape players anymore, you know? how many people got a pair of keep shoes and never even got to listen to the keep tape on a cassette player? there has to be some folks out there.

so i really don't think that it has anything to do with ostracizing a major sector of his audience. and this is not unlike AC. it's not a very expensive release at just under $15. it's shipping that's like 50% of the price of the EP itself. if you can manage to pick it up in store, it's not much difference from the price of a CD, and especially the price of CDs 10, 15 years ago -- remember buying $20 enhanced CDs with your allowance money? the "enhanced" content that really wasn't even all that great!!

so idk, take a look at the lyrics again, now, or january 12th. can't you see there's a sort of desperate desire for Something Real in this simulated artificial weirdly digital world we're stuck in!?!? there's something So real about a physical release of music, especially listening on vinyl. it's almost the oldest form of recorded music. there's something so real and so tangible about it, especially listening to the needle going through the grooves with the speakers off. you can still hear the music. it's real. but that doesn't mean ripping a disk to digital and sharing it with your homies isn't real, either. it is. maybe this is just a shoutout to the days where not everything was handed to us and if you wanted to hear some new music before it was released, you had to get off your ass and go to concert instead of youtube.

<3

[dio]

^interesting points.it is comparable to the pullhair fiasco/gimmick/unique experience

[jerry wonder]

Stan wrote:

I'm just stoked that we're finally going back to the roots of music with good honest vaneelo, as me and my homes call it. I often press the MONO button on my stereo whenever I'm playing the music on speakers so I can hear it as the artist intended. Once again, these guy's are two steps ahead. One step, I don't need to press MONO and the second step is just I'm always guessing what's coming next. Stop over thinking things, stop analysing art and just frigging ENJOY something for once. Let the needle hit that groove, it's music time.

at least he's making better music than avey, you avey shill

[Fovrodi]

I have no way to play this and I happily pre-ordered the thing. There’ll 100% be a vinyl rip out there don’t stress people. Like there is zero literal harm in how Pandas doing this. Trust, have a happy thanksgiving all

[scrambledgreggs]

My feeling is that since there’s going to inevitably be a vinyl rip anyway why not just include the code so that people can be listening to the most HQ version available instead of a sub-optimal rip? It doesn’t have to be a digital release or go to streaming services but a download is a nice courtesy to audiophiles who care a lot about that kind of thing

I’m sure we’ll get an excellent digital version out of this forum but a lot of times vinyl rips have clicks and hiss and static and it’s ok for people to not want that, especially for an AC release because they put so much attention to detail into mixing and mastering their stuff

[Hash]

lol Stan


the almost-mono and vinyl only things are both such a huge turnoff for me.

[Stan]

Some ludicrous apologism on this page. From heading down convoluted semantic wormholes to feel like EVERYTHING IS OK right through to JUST BELIEVE idolatry. The full GAMUT of bullshit.

[Fovrodi]

#BanStan

[thespectrum]

if that quote from someone meeting him is to be believed and he just gave it to the label to market, maybe he had no say in the matter and it's entirely out of his hands hahaha Panda suck shit

[Stan]

"Hey homies, Peebler here. Finna keep this $h!t REAL and let the music speak for itself.

...

Here's a wall of text"

[lucasmoreira]

Panda Bear is the new celebrity to appropriate black culture

[MarfaJazz]

My point is the album doesn’t need to publicly exist at all. You can record an LP and then just give it to your kids or use it as a coaster. That wouldn’t make PB a jerk, especially given how ungrateful, entitled, and critical some of his fans are. You are not owed anything for consumption, in any format, so there is nothing to “apologize” for.

[jfw7]

Thread got bad

[Gool Aid]

very into the idea of a vinyl/mono panda b. to me this kinda sounds like his original idea for PP

[terrestrialjane]

At least these guys are still pushing new stuff

When we need it most

Thank you ac

[destiny]

i hope the rips r good quality!!! i wasnt able to preorder (

[rohcti]

Something is wrong with some of you. So much negativity. Who gives a fuck how he releases it? We're getting new music in less than two months. That's something I'm thankful for. And why don't you guys just buy the vinyl and then download it elsewhere? It's practically the same thing. And you don't know how the plans will evolve for this record before it releases.

I think some of you get off on being whiny crybabies.

[Sam]

FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:

i hope the rips r good quality!!! i wasnt able to preorder (

still available
http://animalcollective.dominomart.com/ ... s-ep-12-ep

[Stan]

roark wrote:

Something is wrong with some of you. So much negativity. Who gives a fuck how he releases it? We're getting new music in less than two months. That's something I'm thankful for. And why don't you guys just buy the vinyl and then download it elsewhere? It's practically the same thing. And you don't know how the plans will evolve for this record before it releases.

I think some of you get off on being whiny crybabies.

[amatureadult]

SouvlakiPlaystation wrote:

My point is the album doesn’t need to publicly exist at all. You can record an LP and then just give it to your kids or use it as a coaster. That wouldn’t make PB a jerk, especially given how ungrateful, entitled, and critical some of his fans are. You are not owed anything for consumption, in any format, so there is nothing to “apologize” for.

I don't think people (at least that I've read) are calling for Noah to apologize, I just think they're looking for others to understand why they're upset. Being upset because of this decision is not the same thing as saying Panda is a jerk or doesn't have a right to do this with his music. It's just bemoaning the fact that they won't be able to listen to his music in an official format. It's not necessarily people feeling entitled to his music.

[tropicalcancer01]

Been reading through the threads on the new Panda and gotta say I’m not too psyched on this new stuff. The outtakes on the Mr Noah and Crosswords EP were better. My favorite part of the recent live boot is Cancer at the end and that cool guitar build-up into it. Maybe these songs’ll sound better on a “powerful” record player? Idk I love Cancer and Selfish Gene and when he slows down in general.