[jetski]

I feel like Kinda Bonkers is the extra song. Peacemaker and Goalkeeper both sound to me like they were recorded (or at least started being recorded) during the album sessions in 2015. The drums on those 2 tracks sound the closest to the drums on all the album tracks, they sound like sequenced electronic drums. Kinda Bonkers sounds to me like it has some acoustic drums played by Jeremy (mostly the drum fills that come in before "Don't you feel me feel your..."). So that would be mean it was recorded more recently, at the same session as Jimmy Mack.

Bonkers also sounds like the extra to me because it's built around that sample loop of tabla and vocals. None of the other songs from this era are really built around a continuously-looping sample like that, the samples usually just appear for a short time like the laugh in FloriDada. This makes me think that Bonkers was written at a different time than the rest of the tracks.

But then again if Noah wrote both the other 2 songs then this doesn't make any sense anyway, cause that wouldn't add up to 8 for each songwriter. Which makes me think that maybe Geo fucked up and accidentally said Goalie was written by Panda when he meant Avey lol. Idk what the exact wording is when he says it on that interview cause I haven't listened. So I'm not sure, the extra track could be one of the other ones

[Texas Trill]

I relistened to that interview where Geo talks about "Goalie", and I gotta apologize since I may have been unintentionally misleading people by saying Noah wrote it. Brian never actually says who wrote it. He just says "my bandmate who wrote it is not a hockey fan, I think it's a soccer goalie he's talking about." (http://nerdist.com/puck-soup-8-geologis ... ollective/ @29:00) I know Noah is a big soccer fan, I'm not sure whether Dave is, so I dunno. To me, the lyrics read like they're written by Panda Bear, but the melody of the chorus sounds like something Avey Tare wrote

[false9]

goalkeeper is def an avey song. u can tell from the lack of hocketing

[Tap]

im so confused by what you guys are considering hocketing, so how is the bit after "the weight of the world" not that?

[false9]

true, I guess I'm just shocked because i'ts tasteful :::;)

[Stanshant]

Tap wrote:

im so confused by what you guys are considering hocketing, so how is the bit after "the weight of the world" not that?

Any time Panda Bear is singing any song.

[false9]

maybe he's actually used it so well in Goalkeeper it hasnt become the only thing in the song that's easy to hear, and doesn't sound like a gimmick, so I didn't notice it

[walkedlikeadog]

Tap wrote:

im so confused by what you guys are considering hocketing, so how is the bit after "the weight of the world" not that?

Hey man!

In most cases, the term hocketing in music is used to describe the performance of a single melody shared between two or more voices. Which I get is sort of confusing, because you could totally make the case that what's happening in a lot of Avey's songs (FloriDada, Vertical, Goalkeeper if it is actually an Avey jam) is hocketing. There are two reasons why I personally wouldn't call the techniques Avey uses on the Painting With tunes hocketing (hope it's okay if I try to half-ass some music theory here):

1. Panda's tunes split the melodies into quarter note call in responses, utilizing intervals that would not be impossible for a single voice to sing (though extremely hard). With the melody split note by note like that, the two voices are much more integrated, and can be heard as 'one,' and I hear it as a single melodic line, rather than two different melodic lines in rapid counterpoint.

2. I would argue that in Avey's tunes, he's using a call and response counterpoint for the melodic writing rather than a hocketing technique, because his and Panda's melodies follow slightly different lines, and can be heard as separate melodies. In FloriDada and Vertical, it's more like Panda's doing a delayed harmony to what Avey's singing, with a slightly different melodic contour. On Goalkeeper after the "weight of the world" part it's a bit harder to make the case, but I would say that because of the distance between Avey's part (being in the low register) and Panda's part (starting in the super high register) coupled with the fact that they each have their own distinct melodic lines (Avey's staying in the low range, and varying very little, and Panda's starting in the high range, and descending down to Avey's register) would make it more like a counterpuntal call and response than hocketing (two melodies responding to each other rather than one melody shared). On this one, I totally agree that the line is totally hairy, and think that the interpreting it as a hocket is also totally valid.

In general, I think most people on the board are colloquially referring to hocketing on the album as the songs that utilize the one note back and forth shared melodic writing, since that seemed to be a uniform quality to all the Panda songs.

Hope that explains it!

[speen]

Stanshant wrote:

Tap wrote:

im so confused by what you guys are considering hocketing, so how is the bit after "the weight of the world" not that?

Any time Panda Bear is singing any song.

When's the last time anyone spoke to Panda Bear? It's possible he can only talk in hocketing. Like, he says something, and then someone else has to say something immediately before he can say the next syllable

[jfw7]

lol

[hatredcopter]

I really like the harmonium sounds in Peacemaker. lotta MPP vibes between peacemaker and goalkeeper. this is a good ol' ep

[Stanshant]

demonclusters wrote:

Stanshant wrote:

Tap wrote:

im so confused by what you guys are considering hocketing, so how is the bit after "the weight of the world" not that?

Any time Panda Bear is singing any song.

When's the last time anyone spoke to Panda Bear? It's possible he can only talk in hocketing. Like, he says something, and then someone else has to say something immediately before he can say the next syllable

This is very good.

[Hash]

Lol yep

[real slippi]

it's sort of interesting to think that both person pitch and grim reaper were pretty broadly loved on CA. both of the following AC albums written after the release of those PB records were imho inspired by the PB's records, albeit in very different ways and received very differently by fans in that MPP was universally loved and PW was a smattering of mixed reviews on here. seems like people like the painters EP a lot more, though.

[Stanshant]

Is The Painters EP even half as good as People EP, though?

I'd say no.

Dum dum dum dummmm dum dummmm

Yeah yeh-eh, yeah yeah-eh.

PEOPLE

[Fovrodi]

I think it's rather good.

Jimmy Mack feels like a radio session though

[Stanshant]

I agree, though that'd probably be what makes it sound more energetic and lively.

[real slippi]

I do too. I love it in fact. my favorite full band release since honeycomb 7" probably, although I loved Michael Remember whenever they dropped it at the end of 2015.

[destiny]

Stanshant wrote:

Is The Painters EP even half as good as People EP, though?

I'd say no.

Dum dum dum dummmm dum dummmm

Yeah yeh-eh, yeah yeah-eh.

PEOPLE

it's BETTER man...tikwid carries that release...IT DOESNT EVEN HAVE SPONGELUKE

[SpaceAnimal]

you cant blame the goalie its not like he planned it

you cant blame the goalie hes down on his knees

[roopn]

with the weight of the world

[beumuth]

peacemaker overtakes chocolate girl for best ac bassline

[kafkaesque]

Stanshant wrote:

Is The Painters EP even half as good as People EP, though?

I'd say no.

Dum dum dum dummmm dum dummmm

Yeah yeh-eh, yeah yeah-eh.

PEOPLE

yes, definitely. people is the worst of their pre-monkey been to burntown EPs. title track and "tikwid" are quite good, but i would say the painters holds its own because of the two singles. "jimmy mack" is seriously the best thing i've heard from AC in years

[Lacrimosa]

Pudd wrote:

peacemaker overtakes chocolate girl for best ac bassline

[speen]

Pudd wrote:

peacemaker overtakes chocolate girl for best ac bassline

Nothing in the world is better than anything on spirit theyre gone

[thebackdrifter]

My reaction every time I listen to this EP

[lesotho]

i wonder if they'll go anywhere

[Vovenarg]

i hope they don't go anywhere

[Ethmin]

I hope they go everywhere

[Vovenarg]

Me 2

[terrestrialjane]

After a year of painting with

I just got the album title. Wow.

[roopn]

what do you mean?

[terrestrialjane]

Like I was tripping a couple days ago

Listening to some painting

And looked at myself in the mirror

And my face was painting itself. Pretty neat

Of course that was just my interpretation of it

I could be very wrong , but it fit ...

[terrestrialjane]

Kinda like the mountain game cover like that ...

[dio]

Idgi maybe cut back on the trips(?)(j)

[whereartesteban]

alwaysyou wrote:

Like I was tripping a couple days ago

Listening to some painting

And looked at myself in the mirror

And my face was painting itself. Pretty neat

Of course that was just my interpretation of it

I could be very wrong , but it fit ...

I've got one. Besides the goofy pun of Painting With The Painters, I think it has more to do with the sound of the album/EP/single. In interviews they sort of mention that they felt like the sounds they were using were being like paint or something.... I think it makes sense since the songs do use somewhat similar sounds and instrumentation throughout. They become the colors a painter would use, combining them at times, etc. Hocketing would be like a special kind of brush, it's represented in the artwork with the dudes who walk behind one another, or the EP with the repeated image. The records are like 18 paintings with similar colors and brushes (look I made another pun)

I also think it's interesting that their other really cohesive records (like records that have a similar sound throughout; could be achieved through shit like tones or song structure) are more mellow, ambient or experimental (Campfire Songs, Spirit, Feels). Unlike PW era, which is pretty blastin'. On the other hand Strawberry Jam, Sung Tongs and MPP sort of benefit from having lots of different vibes: the difference between No More Runnin and Lion in a Coma or between Peace Bone and #1 and Cuckoo Cuckoo.

And coolest bass line may go to Bagels in Kiev, just slow the track down 20% on your vinyl if able. Bliss.

[terrestrialjane]

I agree with both you guys ....

[thebackdrifter]

Saw on instagram that they officially said goalkeeper is an avey song, lyrics and melodies. Also not visiting Chicago in 2017.

[terrestrialjane]

Has anyone taken a stab at what painters cover is ?

[zack]

thebackdrifter wrote:

Saw on instagram that they officially said goalkeeper is an avey song, lyrics and melodies.

This is cool to have clarification on, really thought it was panda.

Got my cd a few days ago, the packaging is nice and I think the artwork might be some of my favorite of theirs in a long time. Still really like these songs, might be my third favorite ep after water curses and fall be kind. I don't hate it but I kind of think id rather have a real ending to Jimmy Mack and he whole ep than the "I need your lovin jimmy SQUELCH" lol its funny but I'd kinda have liked a fade out similar to the intro. But maybe that would go against the energy the songs built up by that point I don't know anymore.

I really, really hope Deakin is back for the next album and it's a full band release. A little less likely but I also wish they would do it before any new solo stuff, although I definitely would be psyched for a proper follow up to Down There.