[roopn]

Idk why but my gut feeling is that the ASMR sample at the end of goalkeeper is a Noah contribution, which is just really funny to me.

The goalkeeper chorus is definitely one of the most impressive melodic and harmonic passages in their discog

[dio]

FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:

every relisten i get closer to coming to terms with the fact that goalkeeper might be one of the greatest songs theyve ever created

ya man. its like fast taste or also frightened the way the counter-point is there. almost feels like an CHZ song with MPP vocals.

love this ep a lot. feel like they really get to let their hair down on EPs. seem like they have less strict manifestos or like guidelines for their sound on them, at least i kinda felt that on FBK. Seems like they do things on eps thye almost owuldnt do elsewhere like theyre really taking the idea of a group called 'the painters' seriously. its really sick tho, PM keeps growing on me. reeeally love avey's back-up vocals. instead of "hocketing" doesn't this song often seem like just fast call-and-response? idk its sick tho.

[ingenue]

roopn wrote:

Idk why but my gut feeling is that the ASMR sample at the end of goalkeeper is a Noah contribution, which is just really funny to me.

woah ASMR. I had no idea that was a "thing." I've been wondering what that sample was...

[roopn]

Diomedes wrote:

FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:

every relisten i get closer to coming to terms with the fact that goalkeeper might be one of the greatest songs theyve ever created

ya man. its like fast taste or also frightened the way the counter-point is there. almost feels like an CHZ song with MPP vocals.

love this ep a lot. feel like they really get to let their hair down on EPs. seem like they have less strict manifestos or like guidelines for their sound on them, at least i kinda felt that on FBK. Seems like they do things on eps thye almost owuldnt do elsewhere like theyre really taking the idea of a group called 'the painters' seriously. its really sick tho, PM keeps growing on me. reeeally love avey's back-up vocals. instead of "hocketing" doesn't this song often seem like just fast call-and-response? idk its sick tho.

Yeah goalkeeper is easily the least hockety song of PB's TRAX this era. Much more call and response

[doggyinacoma]

ingenue wrote:

roopn wrote:

Idk why but my gut feeling is that the ASMR sample at the end of goalkeeper is a Noah contribution, which is just really funny to me.

woah ASMR. I had no idea that was a "thing." I've been wondering what that sample was...

i just opened up goalkeeper on youtube and a "superdeluxe" ASMR advert played first.

They KNoW

[destiny]

Diomedes wrote:

FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:

every relisten i get closer to coming to terms with the fact that goalkeeper might be one of the greatest songs theyve ever created

ya man. its like fast taste or also frightened the way the counter-point is there. almost feels like an CHZ song with MPP vocals.

its so beautiful...especially the chorus...it has a lot of the overwhelming vibes with mad soudns in the song without being abrasive which is where i think pw fell off a little bit..it sounds so good

[crikit]

whoa this is such a fantastic release. PM abd GK reallllly grew on me over weekend as i started to hear all the different things going on in the mix. also loving the MPP ish vocal interplay it's always soo good when they sing counterpoint melodies with each other

[Gool Aid]

peacemaker best song of this era

[Vovenarg]

(i know this is silly and i've mentioned this but) i been listening to this with Mountain Game first and then The Painters EP followed by Gnip Gnop/Hounds and it makes such a strong 7 song "ep." Mountain Game goes so nicely into Kinda Bonkers. they share a lot stylistically and flow really good. Peacemaker keeps the chill vibe going.

honestly I've been blown away by the heap of scraps they've thrown us in the last year and how when you cobble em all together its kinda like "holy shit i didn't realize how good this all was"

this has been the clincher for me in feeling that Painting With era has been an amazing group when all is said. I really liked Painting With. I didn't mind the vocal tradeoffs, in fact i really liked all the different ways they could twist the idea and the different places they took it. i thought the songs were really good and super catchy. if anything my main criticisms were that it felt sonically thin at times (not the hugest deal) and that while it was catchy it was easy to overplay and wear it out, and that avey sounds his age at times (i believe this is one element of what is behind many of the criticisms of the "magic" not being there since CHz. when people say "magic" they mean the feeling of youth, with which many people had identified AC in prior eras). since CHz and his divorce Avey sounds like he's approaching middle age, which he is. he sometimes sounds tired or stressed, sometimes his lyrics or melodies lack the pure spontaneity and natrual ease of youth. whatever. it's tough when your band is associated with childlike youth and wonder, but youre not in your 20s anymore. i still really dug Painting With. Avey and Panda are both phenomenal artists and songwriters. and the issues i mentioned don't really effect my enjoyment much, and i only think of them from time to time. but they did make me wonder about the staying power of Painting With.

one of the biggest turning points has been realizing how good Gnip Gnop/Hounds is. I HATED Gnip Gnop when it first came out, and Hounds sounded a bit boring. I was like "wow maybe they really are starting to fall off, or at least the leftovers are gonna all be crap. maybe ideas were running short this time." it sounded so puerile and silly i couldnt handle it. had no desire to relisten to it. some time recently with this ep getting buzzed about i relistened to Gnip Gnop/Hounds and then listened with the EP and now I'm obsessed with Gnip Gnop and think Hounds is a great little track as well. Gnip Gnop is complex and perfectly done, and is so incredibly catchy. I just wanna keep Gnippin. it's all i wanna do now. i don't wanna ever stop guys. and then this ep is so good all the way through, every song is fantastic and then Goalkeeper just puts everything over the top and caps the era off so mind blowingly and epically.

What I mean is, getting this ep/Goalkeeper + Mountain Game (i know it was written in a previous era. it still came out this cycle.) + realizing how good Gnip Gnop/Hounds is has put to rest any slight doubts I had about this Painting With era. it's fantastic music. i been listening to it in FLAC today and this EP sounds amazing in hq, amazing detail, maybe especially Peacemaker wow (I almost wish MPP sounded that crisp and lush, its pretty close), but all of the songs are so delicately made. I feel so fucking fulfilled right now.



this ep when you add the other 3 tracks sits proudly next to any other era's leftover ep + stray tracks bunch imo

[Panda Tatari]

^ Good post

I was a little critical before of the length of this ep but in fact I think it is a strength, the songs are so good and varied that it leaves you wanting more then overstaying its welcome. Been on repeat a lot for me.

The orignal version of jimmy mack was good but it was something I would not really pay much attetion to if it came on radio or tv. This version, credit to the group and Avey specifically makes me feel so much emotion, Avey sings his heart out here. I love the weird backing vocals/manipulation adds to the emotion.

Bonkers is just great lyric writing with a excellent chilled out backing, and Goalkeeper is so fucking catchy and really is kinda bonkers which I love. I like music that is in your face.

Peace is great as well just have trouble understaning what is being said but a great chrous and a lot of interesting sounds in it, kind of has the same raga vibe as bonkers a little bit imo.

Good work lads.

[jetski]

Great post Vovenarg, lot of good points. I also think a lot about how the band is getting older and what that means for their music. It doesn't bother me either but I think it's definitely true that as they get older the music they're gonna make is necessaily different from their earlier stuff, and acknowledging that makes it easier for me to enjoy the music for what it is instead of wishing it sounded different. I also def agree that sometimes what people call ''magic" is just that feeling of youthfulness which is kind of impossible for them to authentically recreate, at least in the same way that they did on their early albums (and that's ok with me)

Which isn't to say that people are wrong for disliking Painting With or C Hz or anything. It's obviously ok to dislike the music if it doesn't capture the same feelings for you as some of their other music did in the past, or to dislike it for any other reason. I just like thinking about and discussing this stuff especially because I have a strong aversion to comparing or ranking AC's albums (and music/art in general)

I also listened to the EP and the album in lossless and was kind of amazed at the crispness and detail of the sounds. I love focusing on the background material in Peacemaker while listening on nice headphones

[ooouuu]

i think this ep is much better than the record !! still prob C+ material. noah's songwriting (maybe from person pitch on) has always seemed like a collection of small parts, its funny that the hocketing manages to break it down to the smallest parts possible

[false9]

I'm not trolling or being rude I am genuinely curious how you hear peacemaker and don't hear the worst track of this cycle

[octobear]

How useful is it to discus 'the worst track of this cycle', I wonder.

[joby]

great post vovenarg! couldn't agree more.

I honestly think Kinda Bonkers is the best pop song they've ever put out. The resampled sounding chopped up (i'm assuming) panda vocals that start off the song and play as a kinda counter melody with avey's singing throughout are so strong. It's so catchy and repeatable. It's really grown on me. Also avey's vocal delivery is very compelling. "Don't you feel me feel your heart shine?" uggggghhhhhhhhhhhh so smooth.

These first three tracks off this ep are very very very exciting.

[joby]

peacemaker is their sexiest song for sure.

[roopn]

Vov, panda tatari, Victor, great posts all round.

[scrambledgreggs]

joby wrote:

The resampled sounding chopped up (i'm assuming) panda vocals that start off the song

pretty sure it's a bhangra sample, similar to the one on Safer. but now that you mention it it would be super cool if they used samples of their own voices to build beats on future songs, I don't think they've ever done that before

[dud]

i always enjoy deciphering lyrics, here's my take on goalkeeper:

OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH

looking just like he's begging for change
scooping your fate as you watch it go by
all the times he's been saving your hide
you've been supplying the thrill that he rides
and you have to be thankful tonight
he's got your string, you're the wandering kite
and he makes it so you do your thing
strengthen the team and then watch it go wild

avey: he can stand there doing his thing
while he will wait till the bell rings out
/// panda: and he can stand there, do his thing while

avey: he can stand there doing his thing
while he will wait till the bell rings out
/// panda: and he can wait till the bell rings out

you can't blame the goalie
it's not like he planned it
you can't blame the goalie
he's down on his knees
know the weight of the world

avey: you won't ????? you can try to block it????????
/// panda: dive low, block hard, get hit, spit

i don't know if i can pass your test for goalie
but i'll do my best cause i could be the only
i don't wish that i can be the greatest goalie
yet i'll do my best cause i care

avey: they will cheer him but he fights on trying even from the sidelines
/// panda: and they will cheer him as he fights on

avey: they will cheer him but he fights on trying even from the sidelines
/// panda: and show the team love from the sidelines

you can't blame the goalie
it's not like he planned it
you can't blame the goalie
he's down on his knees
know the weight of the world

avey: you won't ???? you can try to block it???????
//// panda: dive low, block hard, get hit, spit

i don't know if i can pass your test for goalie
but i'll do my best cause i could be the only
i don't wish that i can be the greatest goalie
yet i'll do my best cause i care

panda: see him dive as he flies as he kicks as he throws (x8)
/// avey: don't let the goalie down, lead the way

sample: i guess you could say it's a ritual performed all around the world
and can have different meanings depending on where in the world you are



any suggestions?

i think i nailed some of the difficult parts but there's still a lot missing

[Cussing Bum]

I'm terrible at deciphering lyrics so I appreciate it. I can't even understand Peacekeeper much less these, but it seems good to me.

[jetski]

false9 wrote:

I'm not trolling or being rude I am genuinely curious how you hear peacemaker and don't hear the worst track of this cycle

The chords sound really different than the chords in pretty much any songs from this era. I like how swirly they sound, reminds me of techno or deep house chords
Also feels like the chords kind of go to an unexpected place. Even though the melody in the verses just stays on the same couple notes, when paired with the weird motion of the chords the melody is really compelling to me. It kinda has this feeling of longing or something
The chorus melody is also kind of unexpected. The top note of the melody in the chorus sounds like it's a half-step lower than what I thought it would be based on the notes leading up to it and I kinda like the 'unfinished' sound that it gives to the melody.
I totally love those backing vocals in the chorus that come in around every 4th bar, the ones that go "ah ah-ah ahhh". Sounds like they processed or pitched them up or something, they almost sound like a synth to me
Then you also have those sweet modular synth effects throughout the song, the kinda zippy metallic sounds in the background

Lots of stuff to love in this song for me. It's def a different mood than pretty much any other song in this era tho so I can understand why someone would like it the least out of all the songs

[Hellomark]

Peacemaker is definitely my second fav panda song from this era (recycling still #1 baby)

[Vovenarg]

so again i love all these songs, but the french toast line does make me feel pretty cringey, haha. i mainly like kinda bonkers despite the lyrics... but they are mostly fine. sonically its an awesome song, just weird to me that they made a lyric vid when i like it more just hearing the word sounds and not thinking too much about the words. am i the only one?

the french toast line is just the "frightened babies poo" or "my feet can't cross the parking lot" of this ep so its cool. good ol avey, never change.

[speen]

i've never found avey-isms cringey, i think lines like "frightened babies poo" and "french toast" are fantastic. hearing "life is so french toast to me" put a big smile on my face because it felt like an instant classic

[Tap]

but the very next lyric is "If you wait too long, It gets black and weak" which seems to be referring to the french toast but that's not what happens to french toast when you leave it out. like it made sense that the frightened babies poo. they've got to. but what the fuck is happening to this french toast?

[roopn]

Well if you cook it too long it goes black, which means it's weak in a culinary sense lol

I never got the hate on the feet can't cross the park in lot line. Very nostalgic to me. Makes me think of how children are easily overwhelmed, or panic when they think they feel trapped

[Vovenarg]

i think he's cooking it himself on the griddle?




edit: what roopn said

[Vovenarg]

but if you think about it Tap, do the frightened babies really GOT TO poo? i mean not every frightened baby poos, in reality, but Avey seems to be implying that they do and that they could never have done otherwise. i don't know if i can get on board with those kinds of generalizations about how babies can or cannot respond to fear. i just don't know if its an accurate and fair representation.

[bentoboxd]

Post Painting With I was about ready to shelve this band, Mountain Game was released and I held off.
I think P4K's 7 rating is appropriate given Kinda Bonkers is as god awful as Floridada, still catchy, but short enough to not get annoying. Peacemaker is the best song on the EP and definitely saved it from being a throwaway. Last two songs......no just no. Jimmy Mack couldve been good if they kept the Spirits vibe they had going in the beginning.

[Tropic]

Fiiiinally someone brings up the P4k score
(and gets it wrong)

[BlueRodland]

FloriDada is god awful? What heck this? When I listened to Painting With, I finished FloriDada and thought "Oh man, this album is going to be so good!" I was horribly mistaken but still, I like FloriDada a lot.

[Panda Tatari]

Flo Rida is one of the strongest songs on the album. It is utter mad cap brilliance

[Dallou]

Floridada is my favorite of the cycle and one of my favorite AC song ever, I cannot get tired of it and I listened to it more that 150 times.

Peacemaker might be one of my least favorite AC song, maybe it will grow on me, but to be honnest I have not been spining the Ep that much, like Kinda of Bonkers and Jimmy Mack a lot but I don't know I am kind of tired of this era's sound.

Listening to Up in Hudson (Dirty Projectors) and the lyrics fit perfectly a possible relationship of a former AC fan with the band, it's funny

"Now we're going our separate ways
But we're still connected
You'll go forward and I'll stay the same
And that's how it breaks"

[Panda Tatari]

Peace is great but it is the weakest of the songs on the ep for me. If I could work out the lyrics more It might up my opinion more but I do get tired at times of Panda tracks where I cannot understand what is being said. it worked on person pitch. He needs to to get away from this type of mixing

[false9]

Victor Borge wrote:

false9 wrote:

I'm not trolling or being rude I am genuinely curious how you hear peacemaker and don't hear the worst track of this cycle

The chords sound really different than the chords in pretty much any songs from this era. I like how swirly they sound, reminds me of techno or deep house chords
Also feels like the chords kind of go to an unexpected place. Even though the melody in the verses just stays on the same couple notes, when paired with the weird motion of the chords the melody is really compelling to me. It kinda has this feeling of longing or something
The chorus melody is also kind of unexpected. The top note of the melody in the chorus sounds like it's a half-step lower than what I thought it would be based on the notes leading up to it and I kinda like the 'unfinished' sound that it gives to the melody.
I totally love those backing vocals in the chorus that come in around every 4th bar, the ones that go "ah ah-ah ahhh". Sounds like they processed or pitched them up or something, they almost sound like a synth to me
Then you also have those sweet modular synth effects throughout the song, the kinda zippy metallic sounds in the background

Lots of stuff to love in this song for me. It's def a different mood than pretty much any other song in this era tho so I can understand why someone would like it the least out of all the songs

thanks for this post, I'm listening to peacemaker again framed like this, and I like it a bit better, I can see the appeal

[bentoboxd]

BlueRodland wrote:

FloriDada is god awful? What heck this? When I listened to Painting With, I finished FloriDada and thought "Oh man, this album is going to be so good!" I was horribly mistaken but still, I like FloriDada a lot.

Dude that song is soooooooooooo shit. Not into that campy whimsical side of AC at all. Like I said before the song belongs in some Disney montage for a high school sitcom. Not feeling it

[bentoboxd]

Panda Tatari wrote:

Peace is great but it is the weakest of the songs on the ep for me. If I could work out the lyrics more It might up my opinion more but I do get tired at times of Panda tracks where I cannot understand what is being said. it worked on person pitch. He needs to to get away from this type of mixing

Panda is a better writer than Avey imo and I'm fine with ambiguity in the lyrics, it allows for more exploration and interpretation. When the lyrics are front and center as Avey's tend to be I become very annoyed with the lyrics. Which is odd because in Down There the writing was miles better than whats been put out on AC material.

[Panda Tatari]

I have not got a problem with ambiguity in lyrics but Panda does it far to much all the time for my liking.

[zack]

bentoboxd how long have you been listening to AC? Genuinely curious. You're entitled to your opinion of course, its just the way you phrase it is so pretentious and douchey (sooooooooo shit). I'm not the biggest fan of PW, it's like bottom three of their discography (so is CHz) for me but I still really enjoy it. I have zero problem with people having different tastes and opinions obviously it has just become really annoying all the entitled, hostile, asshole attitude some people have towards the band these days. Saying you've thought about "shelving" them is a sentiment I've heard from several people and it's just ridiculous to me to see some people who once loved their body of work suddenly act like none of their legendary material matters anymore. It seems like bandwagon shit. Having that strong of a negative reaction to Floridada really gets to me for a couple reasons. That song is pure positivity and jubilant madness and that is nothing to fucking scoff at you joyless husk. Like a lot of people I listened to it countless times and it's still euphoric to this day, which is saying something coming from someone who's often deeply depressed. It may be silly but that's part of its appeal and it's annoying to me to write it off as camp. My best friend actually feels the same about the song though so that's why I feel strongly about defending it.

I really love the ep. Kinda Bonkers is really fun and gives me a lot of the same genuine hope as Floridada. Peacemaker is chill, least favorite but I like it and as someone else said it's definitely sexy. Goalkeeper is truly awesome, tied with Floridada and On Delay for best of the era for me. It's just beautiful and manic at the same time while being somehow more of a controlled chaos than most of the cycle. The chorus is top tier AC. Jimmy Mack is so energetic and infectious, really really happy they recorded it.

[Texas Trill]

I'm with you Zack. I love positive Animal Collective. It really helps me focus on bettering myself and gives me a boost of energy. That's why I've really latched onto this era

But I see where bentoboxd is coming from too. To me, it seems like he connects more with the sadder/darker AC songs. And I agree the lyrics on Down There and songs like Banshee Beat are superb. If that's all you want to listen to then I imagine the happier, upbeat stuff is going to sound too earnest or maybe even insincere. But I like that the band, especially Dave, is able to explore such a wide spectrum of emotions and attitudes. All the sad songs about loss make all the happy songs about growth all the more impactful. A yin and yang situation