[giraffacus]

kafkaesque wrote:

giraffacus wrote:

kafkaesque wrote:

giraffacus wrote:

kafkaesque wrote:

if anyone's curious, the review has 31 sentences, and just 10 of them are addressing the music. that's less than a third. pretty offensive to these guys who obviously put a lot of work into this thing

it's almost like sometimes music isn't just a series of randomly generated sounds that exist in a vacuum.

it's almost like a review of a collection of songs should at least spend the majority of its time talking about the songs

not if the more important of aspect of the album isn't just the songs but where it places the band in the context of their output and the larger scheme of what's happening in music.

it is my firm view that the most important aspect of an album is the album itself. you may disagree, but i think the songs matter most

the songs are part of a larger whole though. why make an album at all then? why write about certain things? in 2016 you can't just get on your laptop and type out "i don't like the use of major chords" or "the beats are good". everyone complained when they used a dumb burrito metaphor anyways. you can't write about this album without acknowledging the ones that came before it to talk about why it's disappointing, you can't write about Tusk without talking about Rumors, or Sign O' The Times without Purple Rain.

wrote:

exactly this

It really sucks that because of this p4k review, we can't even discuss what we as a community think about this album. Instead we are discussing the validity of opinions of rushed reviewers trying to meet a deadline/working for larger publications that are always going to be pushing specific ideas/trends/etc.

Not that there haven't been well though out posts that express why they like or dislike the album, just saying there should be more of that.

I understand that what is happening around the music as it is released is interesting, and relevant to the general idea of discussing the album, but if anything, that stuff is more interesting to discuss when looking back on the album as opposed to when it first comes out and we are all still digesting it.

Aw come on, music discussion is a weird messy thing and if you dont try and articulate differing opinions it's just high fives and ass pats. it's always up for debate and discussion, and pitchfork being who they are incites that debate.

[hatredcopter]

from the NY Times:

wrote:

"pretty average stuff"
"some of the lyrics are quite painful"
"sub-Brian Wilson"
"mediocrity incarnate"
"the badness ranges from mere gentle tedium to cringing embarrassment"

...re: Abbey Road, in 1969.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/music/10 ... -beat.html

just sayin'.

[Sefed Jones]

this all feels pretty samey and back heavy
still giving it dedicated repeat listens though, some songs grow
i think other artists wouldn't receive the same kind of scrutiny, we're all just hoping for something new and insane from people who had previously delivered that
makes me afraid of what sort of magic someone needs to keep greatness going and going.. this and centipede both feel like trying to recapture something when the new ideas run out whereas at the height of MPP i felt like they were capable of making anything and it would be incredible

[speen]

giraffacus wrote:

Aw come on, music discussion is a weird messy thing and if you dont try and articulate differing opinions it's just high fives and ass pats. it's always up for debate and discussion, and pitchfork being who they are incites that debate.

Thank you

I like this album, I really do. I like it more with each listen. But it's hitting me as a disappointment for all the reasons I've already articulated in this thread. Check it out, we all have different opinions. It's not like I love the guys less, and I'm still excited for what the future holds

[coollodges]

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Aw come on, music discussion is a weird messy thing and if you dont try and articulate differing opinions it's just high fives and ass pats. it's always up for debate and discussion, and pitchfork being who they are incites that debate.

I don't want it to be all high fives and ass pats. In my post I said I want to hear more well though out opinions on why they dislike it. I have no problem with that. The problem is we have a ridiculous amount of pages discussing whether or not a p4k review matters, instead of just discussing the album in terms of this communities opinion.

[speen]

Reposting what I said:

Petition to stop talking about Pitchfork in this thread

if everyone's down, someone should make a separate thread for discussing the goddamn pitchfork review. Otherwise, we should discuss the album, removed from the reviews of others

[giraffacus]

coollodges wrote:

wrote:

Aw come on, music discussion is a weird messy thing and if you dont try and articulate differing opinions it's just high fives and ass pats. it's always up for debate and discussion, and pitchfork being who they are incites that debate.

I don't want it to be all high fives and ass pats. In my post I said I want to hear more well though out opinions on why they dislike it. I have no problem with that. The problem is we have a ridiculous amount of pages discussing whether or not a p4k review matters, instead of just discussing the album in terms of this communities opinion.

fair enough, but would you say a pitchfork review is entirely irrelevant? like even if you think it's dumb it does matter to some degree.

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from the NY Times:
Quote:
"pretty average stuff"
"some of the lyrics are quite painful"
"sub-Brian Wilson"
"mediocrity incarnate"
"the badness ranges from mere gentle tedium to cringing embarrassment"

...re: Abbey Road, in 1969.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/music/10 ... -beat.html

just sayin'.

that review also thinks Lennon sang Oh! Darling, so is the point that poorly written reviews are out there?

[dio]

ppl can talk abt it more in the cabin fever thread since its mostly useless now..if they really want, but ya we shld move on as a group. we can do this. that reviewer listed a japandroids album and a drake album as his favorite of '10-'15. no more needs 2 b said

[Cussing Bum]

demonclusters wrote:

Reposting what I said:

Petition to stop talking about Pitchfork in this thread

if everyone's down, someone should make a separate thread for discussing the goddamn pitchfork review. Otherwise, we should discuss the album, removed from the reviews of others

Aren't you the one that posted a review on the previous page?

[Synusoid]

I am eating tomato soup right now and it is very good

Animal Collective

[LeadHat]

I for one am all for a live rendition of Natural Selection that somehow transitions into a new revamped electronic Hey Light

[lavalanche]

I just want to say, as someone who started listening to animal collective when hcti came out (I was in 8th grade and my friend's older brother listened to a lot of music that was weird and cool to us at the time... Tom waits, Nina Simone, weird jazz, ac, etc) I've seen a lot with this band. Wasn't too into them until feels came out and rediscovered sung tongs, the sj freebird, the MPP hype, went back and fell in love with Spirit which is still probably my favorite... Anyway, I wasn't super into CHz even though I do enjoy it, and I liked Panda Bears new stuff live but I wasn't a fan of boys Latin at all... All of that said, I love Painting With. There's a great energy about the album, it's fun, it's weird, it's poppy, and I enjoy it a lot. I don't find the hocketing distracting and the song writing is pretty good, I've played music for a long time so I generally know where songs are headed, after the first three tracks I was a bit disappointed but there are so many little surprises even in the standard structure songs, and then tracks like burglars and on delay that tend to move forward and go to unexpected places are great. And hell, despite being as repetitive as it is, natural selection is one of my favorite tracks because its a well written, fun, enjoyable pop song.

My favorites are probably the burglars, on delay, recycling, golden gals, natural selection, and bagels. Hocus pocus has a great thumping drive to the song, although I don't care for the chorus, spilling guts has that same energy, and vertical has one of the best verses (I'm warming up to the parking lot chorus). Floridada a has grown on me and lying in the grass works great in the context of the album. I think this one has possibly their best tracklisting and as a long time fan I love it.

[hatredcopter]

giraffacus wrote:

that review also thinks Lennon sang Oh! Darling, so is the point that poorly written reviews are out there?

maybe that was the Sung Tongs-gate of 1969

[hatredcopter]

Synusoid wrote:

I am eating tomato soup right now and it is very good

Animal Collective

what kind of soup

[Akaio]

Synusoid wrote:

Animal Collective

Did they just release a new album or something

[dio]

this album seems weird/new for them in a lot of ways, but its such an organic development of post-chz stuff given pbvsgr and slasher... kinda cool how naturally the style progresses from chz. its kinda like condensed deakin-less chz songs with all the weird centipede-y structures some of the time, just condensed and tighter... a healthy influence from slasher/greaper, esp melodic/vocal stuff and songwriting imo. the overall sounds and textures make me think of a more refined chz sound, with bits of st-mpp thrown in

[Goku]

Don't worry guys, I can assure you I will be giving the album a 9.3 in my upcoming review for the Fox Valley Arts Journal

[dio]

lavalanche wrote:

Spoiler: show

I just want to say, as someone who started listening to animal collective when hcti came out (I was in 8th grade and my friend's older brother listened to a lot of music that was weird and cool to us at the time... Tom waits, Nina Simone, weird jazz, ac, etc) I've seen a lot with this band. Wasn't too into them until feels came out and rediscovered sung tongs, the sj freebird, the MPP hype, went back and fell in love with Spirit which is still probably my favorite... Anyway, I wasn't super into CHz even though I do enjoy it, and I liked Panda Bears new stuff live but I wasn't a fan of boys Latin at all... All of that said, I love Painting With. There's a great energy about the album, it's fun, it's weird, it's poppy, and I enjoy it a lot. I don't find the hocketing distracting and the song writing is pretty good, I've played music for a long time so I generally know where songs are headed, after the first three tracks I was a bit disappointed but there are so many little surprises even in the standard structure songs, and then tracks like burglars and on delay that tend to move forward and go to unexpected places are great. And hell, despite being as repetitive as it is, natural selection is one of my favorite tracks because its a well written, fun, enjoyable pop song.

My favorites are probably the burglars, on delay, recycling, golden gals, natural selection, and bagels. Hocus pocus has a great thumping drive to the song, although I don't care for the chorus, spilling guts has that same energy, and vertical has one of the best verses (I'm warming up to the parking lot chorus). Floridada a has grown on me and lying in the grass works great in the context of the album. I think this one has possibly their best tracklisting and as a long time fan I love it

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next paged you, this is cool tho, glad you're liking it. thought of hearing hcti in 8th grade is cool... didnt hear that til late in high school

[giraffacus]

Diomedes wrote:

ppl can talk abt it more in the cabin fever thread since its mostly useless now..if they really want, but ya we shld move on as a group. we can do this. that reviewer listed a japandroids album and a drake album as his favorite of '10-'15. no more needs 2 b said

yeah and ~*KANYE WEST!!*~.
Kanye, Japandroids and Drake are super rad - what's the deal with the weird anti rap snobbery in this here thread - hard to imagine few as influential as Drake in '10-'15.

[Enn Eye]

the fork didn't put the wretch on loud enough old man....

[Synusoid]

hatredcopter wrote:

Synusoid wrote:

I am eating tomato soup right now and it is very good

Animal Collective

what kind of soup

tomato soup

i put crackers in it

i finished it though

[cody]

just make a "pitchfork discussion thread" for those who want to discuss it

has anyone else mentioned that on delay sounds really similar to such great heights from the postal service? the intro keyboard noise and the bass texture are both really similar. i think whoever wrote it (panda?) had to be inspired by that song

[Goku]

got called a racist at greggs today lads

[dio]

avey wrote it i think has been established. i guess we dont kno for sure but seems like an avey song to me. side 2 starts with 2 avey, then 2 panda, then avey, panda..

and ya when i heard the amazon samples such great heights is the first think i thought of for on delay, which was worrisome honestly, not into postal service vibes in ac, but with the real thing and some time it seems like a very different kind of feeling... way into that song.

[Akaio]

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

Did you mention not liking Drake or something

[speen]

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

tell us what happened lad

[speen]

So lets talk about translating the sound to the live setting. Hopefully they keep the classic transitional improvisations between songs? What songs will be reworked? I'm hoping for something like Bat You'll Fly, imagine how dope that'd sound with the PW vibe.

I'm expecting the unexpected. Something like Unsolved Mysteries, or Water Curses

[Synusoid]

Akaio wrote:

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

Did you mention not liking Drake or something

your signature

[CokePotCrack]

Sefed Jones wrote:

this all feels pretty samey and back heavy
still giving it dedicated repeat listens though, some songs grow
i think other artists wouldn't receive the same kind of scrutiny, we're all just hoping for something new and insane from people who had previously delivered that
makes me afraid of what sort of magic someone needs to keep greatness going and going.. this and centipede both feel like trying to recapture something when the new ideas run out whereas at the height of MPP i felt like they were capable of making anything and it would be incredible

I feel the same way bro.

[CokePotCrack]

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

Why? Was it because you weren't on dxm?

[Goku]

demonclusters wrote:

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

tell us what happened lad

got called racist

[Goku]

CokePotCrack wrote:

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

Why? Was it because you weren't on dxm?

Okay look here mr. "Crack", I'm not ALWAYS on dxm

[CokePotCrack]

lol

[CokePotCrack]

sure...

[Synusoid]

Goku wrote:

demonclusters wrote:

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

tell us what happened lad

got called racist

HYUK

Spoiler: show

[AudibleKayak]

Goku wrote:

demonclusters wrote:

Goku wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

tell us what happened lad

got called racist

ye but why

[LeadHat]

wrote:

demonclusters wrote:
Goku wrote:

wrote:

got called a racist at greggs today lads

tell us what happened lad


got called racist

in greggs?

[CokePotCrack]

[/quote]
HYUK

Spoiler: show

[/quote]

[Goku]

I was being racist in greggs

[Greasers Palace]

This record benefits so much from being viewed in the context of AC's uncompromising trajectory.

I always saw cHz as an active repudiation of MPP's heightened spirituality ... a sick impish experiment in which the band reveled on the debauched floorboards of the material plane... all sweat, heat, crammed bodies, hoarse voices, unshaved faces, dirty fucking, etc.

You'd think, after the somewhat flaccid response, they'd flee to some more secure comfort zone. But in typical bugfuck unyeiding fashion, the band decides to double-down on the man-made materialistic sound palette of cHz... in the hope of LOCATING spirituality there. And they find it in the sheer exuberance of the human voice. These guys love to sing. It's what they were born to do. It's their ticket to spiritual apotheosis and its whats been reclaimed here. I fucking love it.

Haha. Sorry. I'm way down the rabbit hole here.