it is so crazy how immediate people need things to be. talking about the place in history an album belongs before it is even out. ranking songs after 24 hours. it is crazy. just live with it for a bit. it took them a long time to create this. the path they were on dictated the result. the side/solo projects. their reactions to previous efforts, etc.
in short, it took them their whole career to create this album, people should give it some time before dismissing it or proclaiming it aoty.
agree that people should give the album some time before dismissing it or calling it the greatest ever.
I don't think the song rankings are meant to be definitive though, they are just people expressing how they feel about the songs at that moment, which is totally fine.
just live with it for a bit. it took them a long time to create this..
See:
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Having not listened to Painting With yet.
Anyway, I completely agree with you about "living with it." One of AnCo's unique joys is how, at least for me, and probably you too dervish from the sound of it, that theiridentitieschangechangewitheachrelease.
I do think there is a value, not in assessing a thing's quality, to discussing peoples' first reactions to things. That's a more subjective, but also more human response. I promise you the 24 hour news cycle isn't Pitchfork's fault, but reviewers do have to make first impressions. That's silly, subjective, and totally driven by label-sales-pressure & clicks-online-traffic-earnings, but hey, that's business, right? For folks on the board, here, in a totally different context, I say: be excited, share your excitement. If folks wanna say they like Bagels in Kiev best on the LP four days before the LP drops, bully for them! I'm finnin to wait til the vinyl is on my platter, but to each their own.
Where we come back to agreeing, sweet, lovable dervish, is that anybody who has said they don't like this album, straight up, is an asshole. That's when I say you have to let it live. You have to understand it in its context. And if you really don't like it, let the rest of us enjoy it. Or at least wait until the album is released so the rest of us can enjoy it.
To them, I will quote another goddamn internet zeitgeist.
The problem with the review in pitchfork is that he dont talk about de record only his hopes what anco should be. C mon he doesnt even talk about of on delay
I just hope that people aren't confusing a change in taste toward AnCo's latest projects with a change in quality. I think that we all need to remember that there are people, like me, who legitimately prefer these later albums such as Centipede Hz, PBVSGR, and Slasher Flicks.
I get it. Nobody is forced to feel like Painting With is their favorite album or even close, but it doesn't mean that it's objectively not as good. I also hate the negativity toward Noah's increasingly repetitive songwriting. Not everyone dislikes it. I don't dislike it. There are people on this forum who don't dislike it. (sorry)
It's the downside of a band that is willing to take a step into every direction of musicality; you get those incredibly divisive opinions, and I guess that these latter albums have been increasingly divisive in that way.
But you know what? There's so much fucking music out there from different artists as well, and a lot of them have done things that Animal Collective could never possibly achieve in one band's life. I don't write this to detract from the guy's achievements; I feel like some of the people on here could try finding some new perspectives or branching out into trying other music. I received a private message on here a while back saying that I shouldn't talk like Animal Collective is the end-all be-all or that they're gods, and that's honestly true; they aren't. There's a lot of top-tier music out there being made today and it's not just by these guys. If you can't find it then you aren't looking hard enough.
/slightlyderailedramble
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My only criticism would be that I feel more and more that this is Dave's band, and Noah makes much stronger contributions to Dave's songs than his own songwriting. He's always been quite one note in his composition but he is very repetitive here. I think Dave writes better for him than he does for himself, essentially.
I totally agree with this... Noah's songwriting contributions feel largely uninventive on this record. Really basic melodies that lean too heavily on the hocketing to make them stimulating to listen to. There's nothing quite as sterile as Boys Latin, but nothing that comes even close to the highs that Avey hits on this album.
I'm going to have On Delay stuck in my head all day, I think.
I'm not dismissing the album, I listened to it for the first time literally yesterday. I wanna let it simmer. Plus, I'm seeing them this Friday. Despite all my negative posts I'm still excited that we have new AC.
I for one think it's fair for people to be upset with the difference between PW and TLOP in terms of reviews. TLOP sounds slipshod and unoriginal, but I guess I'm not really into a lot of music being made nowadays. Oh wells, hope people got a chance to love the album before everyone told them it's awful lol
You're going to say TLOP sounds unoriginal because it sounds like his other albums? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Sounding like his other albums means there is an identifiable style, not that its unoriginal.
Large amount of trap-influenced hip hop? If there is a large amount of it, why is TLOP the only one that's unoriginal? If anything, Ye made his first crack at trap-hop on Yeezus, and he elaborates and complicates that style on TLOP. Its also by exactly no means the only style of hip-hop present on TLOP.
Link your brother's bandcamp project. I'm not going to shit on it, pinky promise, let's get the dude some listens. But BTW, a kid brother who started making music two years ago (which is two years into Ye's 10 album career) can't really be used as an example for why Kanye is unoriginal. Which he isn't.
Is this the first album you guys like that pitchfork have panned ? Because it seems like it. Who gives a fuck, they does that for every band ever : Love them then gradualy lower there grade for each record (which we honnestly do not care about).
They basicaly did a First Impression of Earth here.
Now back to the album (in tyler's voice cf : Bastards)
I am really impressed by The Burglars, the structure and the flow of avey, reminds me of Purple bottle (how fast he is going). And also so I am hyppped about the live it is going to be so fun and joyful
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Ok that's enough Kanye talk for this thread (head on over to the music sub forum). Unless you're going to call it 2016's Pet Sounds...but then you're going to have to chat with our new cultural attaché, Goku.
Ok that's enough Kanye talk for this thread (head on over to the music sub forum). Unless you're going to call it 2016's Pet Sounds...but then you're going to have to chat with our new cultural attaché, Goku.
this sentence is honestly the funniest thing I've ever read.
Such a great record, I suspect it's one of those records that will last a long time for me.
Loving the percussion, vocals, video game-sounding electronics and the overall aesthetic, it breathes in a way Centipede didn't. I can certainly see how there was a dinosaur-era theme to it too, I suspect few bands have ever had a vision in mind to capture the sound of something so imaginative.
And this has to be the first AC record with 50/50 Avey/Panda contributions right? I don't think the mix has ever been more balanced, the songs really complement each other in a sweet way.
Love pretty much all the songs, still don't feel like I've "gotten to know" them all yet though.
Top 5 so far: The Burglars, Hocus Pocus, Lying in the Grass, Natural Selection and Bagels in Kiev
I think one of the boots (from a tweeting site that really emphasizes how they pronounce their RRRRRRRs) had misnamed tracks and while I was decided if I should listen to it or not I played a random track that was not Bagels in Keiv and the word bagels and grandfather both featured prominently in that song, which might have been labeled On Delay, maybe. Anyway, I was like fuck this I'm out and deleted the boot immediately, but that song sounded so SO SO crazy and different and surprising and I'm very excited to see and hear where it goes from there.
Anyway I'm agreeing with you SamuelArron. And anybody that is drawing comparisons between PBVSGR and Painting With: thank you for making my excitement skyrocket. I LOVED Acid Wash. I love PB vibes. I love cookies, coffee, and animal collective.
Damn you guys, don't call me a "drone" because I have a different opinion than you. I didn't read the pitchfork review before formulating an opinion about the album, nor do I care what pitchfork has to say, though I won't deny their cultural importance in this music scene
I'm disappointed with the album, which doesn't make me wrong, nor does it make the people who aren't disappointed wrong. The reason why it seemed like people got negative after the pitchfork review was published is because it gave people who had a hard time articulating their feelings about it a springboard. Damn.
Also as much as I love him, let's save kanye for the kanye thread
it's hard not to feel like theyre becoming less important
they are. but that's culture, not the music. this is a wonderful album, it will not be remembered as important music though. ac is out of vogue, it doesn't mean they're bad and it doesn't necessarily mean future projects by them won't be critically acclaimed. but the U.S.'s focus right now on gender/identity politics, black lives matter, other sociopolitical action/movements and their reflection in music doesn't really leave room to critically praise electronic music made by 3 white guys. i love this album, the critics won't
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so many screens that I am seeing screens appear behind my eyes (of all places!)
though I won't deny their cultural importance in this music scene
Thank you for this, and I hope over time (like soup) the album cooks into something more aligned with your expectations & boils into something you can enjoy fully. You're def not a drone. You're more of a guy (or girl, or person, or robot - which would make you a drone in a word so nevermind - definitely a biological mass) who doesn't dig the new AnCo record super hard.
it's hard not to feel like theyre becoming less important
they are. but that's culture, not the music. this is a wonderful album, it will not be remembered as important music though. ac is out of vogue, it doesn't mean they're bad and it doesn't necessarily mean future projects by them won't be critically acclaimed. but the U.S.'s focus right now on gender/identity politics, black lives matter, other sociopolitical action/movements and their reflection in music doesn't really leave room to critically praise electronic music made by 3 white guys. i love this album, the critics won't
Good, honest points all around. Upshot: small venues, cheaper tours. More of our people in the crowd.
p4k is dead/ has been dead for a long time. their writers often miss the point the first time around and I've seen them straight up replace old reviews for new ones with new scores that reflect the work's current standing with the music listening populace i.e. they reviewed a reissue of diamond dogs awhile back and when DB died, did a new slew of reviews (see what I did there) which was a complete 180 from the original. Perhaps we should remember that p4k is made up individuals and that no one person speaks for the rest of the publication.
Now, it seems like a lot of fans are expecting another feels or MPP or whatever album had the most profound effect on their lives..... there will never be another album like that that completely recreates that discovery for you and it's not the band's fault, it's your fault. You've changed, you've gone down the rabbit hole and any sense of mystery surrounding the band is gone. In my experience, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the music but it can be really hard when have very specific expectations.
Personally, I think this album is going to be overlooked by a lot of people for the wrong reasons. I think it's a mistake for reviewers to lump it in with cHZ. When I listen I hear the elements of what attracted me to their music in the first place. I hear a band I love exploring the musical territory of the early synth dabblers, of OMD's dazzle ships, which I also love. Sure, it's a new costume but the core is the same.
TL;DR Just imagine that all the bass drum on the album is a floor tom tuned really low.
it's hard not to feel like theyre becoming less important
they are. but that's culture, not the music. this is a wonderful album, it will not be remembered as important music though. ac is out of vogue, it doesn't mean they're bad and it doesn't necessarily mean future projects by them won't be critically acclaimed. but the U.S.'s focus right now on gender/identity politics, black lives matter, other sociopolitical action/movements and their reflection in music doesn't really leave room to critically praise electronic music made by 3 white guys. i love this album, the critics won't
Yeah, I feel that. But I wasn't exactly expecting AC to release a black lives matter album. What i meant by "important" was expanding their sound each release, instantly inspiring waves of imitators. While the focus is still just the music rather than the cultural context, the cultural context factors into enjoyment of an album. Somebody mentioned something similar a few pages ago. It's like going to see of Montreal now- same guy, same songs, same lyrics, but he's older, somewhat defeated, and it just leaves you sad that the glory days of shit like the skeletal lamping tour are behind us. Painting With is super fun, and I'm definitely going to keep listening to it. I just feel like the songwriting isn't as strong as it used to be and they're not really expanding their own sound/horizons with this
I don't know what it says about me, but I liked the Justin Bieber album (mentioned before how it got the same score as PW). I think fans take p4k's score personally because of the "context" of what that means for the band. Everyone wants one of their favorite bands to remain popular/relevant and be well-received. We all probably fall victim, most of the time, to the conscientious things outside of us - be it blinded by the hype, fandom, press, etc. For me, music is personal. Enjoy it on your on level, your own terms.
Also, I was someone who was a little disappointed with the direction they chose for PW. I wanted more slow songs, an acoustic throw-back to ST. I can totally see AC mixing it up and doing slower songs, more ambient work still in the future, but it won't be pandering for critics or fans, it'll be what they feel at the moment. I think the fact that they didn't slow things down and surprised me with how this album sounds like no other album of theirs is a testament of the the brilliance and polarity of what made me like them since day one.
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