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Defeat - Yeah, it's on the new album

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:49 pm
by Stan
Having given the Music Box set a rest for a few weeks, I've just come back to it while I'm in the bath (at this moment, bubbles, rubber duck, glass of wine and all, like an easy-living soccer mom with her hair down when the kids are away at band camp and hubby has gone shooting in the fuckin boonies, dunno what that is but it sounds like the right kind of word, get the giant dildo out thinking about the landscape gardener's sweaty torso, go for it love, life is the eternal now, you can run away from all this, no more fuckin meat loaf, spoilt brats and husband blowing his load after a minute forty) and Defeat is knocking me right out all over again.

Each section is better than the last. If this never gets released, it will truly be the definitive long-lost Animal Collective meisterwerk. Song For Jerome, Walk With You from Noah's Ark, From A Beach, live Jabba, Sponge Luke, Guggenheim Jam, you guys took a helluva beating!

The sparkling piano in the first section sounds like Kria's ghost playing in my buried memories and Dave's incantation sounds like a eulogy. It feels like something so grand bedded in the unrepeatable weight of time. It makes me think of the colossal Atlas Sound lyric from Quick Canal, "I looked in the dirt and found wisdom is learned through a costly process of success and failure".

The next section builds and builds with the Brother Sport insistent hats and the jabbing string arpeggios. Ugh, I love this part so much. It's blowing away the weight and resigned peace of the first part of the song. It's a reminder that we are still full of energy and joy, no matter what we've come through, no matter the burdens of a long life lived. It's as cathartic as anything they've ever written, in its own way.

And as I said last time I was raving about this song, I can barely process the final section. It's like a sermon. The piano is my favourite part of any Animal Collective-related song since MPP and Dave's vocal is only just behind. It is towering.

Fingers crossed this Kickstarter happens because my donation will probably be my Christmas present to myself. It's a comfort just knowing that it exists.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:42 am
by valar602
Oh no not now.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:13 pm
by dio
his voice on the verses sounds like light and like my memories and is very sad/happy, leaves me wrecked.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:53 pm
by valar602
AC collaborating with more celloist gets me excited.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:31 am
by destiny
this song always got me fucked up. i listened to it again today and the ending got me real fucked up. i hope they release this shit

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 11:26 pm
by dio
valar602 wrote:
AC collaborating with more celloist gets me excited.

Ya honestly the cello and accordion and violin and the sax on sundown are all amazing. Esp the strings in prestor j and defeat . When I first got into this band more acoustic instrumentation was the last thing u wanted besides maybe acoustic guitars but now it makes my mouth water

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:39 am
by Hash
Stan wrote:
in the fuckin boonies

lol

way out in the wop-wops

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:12 pm
by Strange_Clams
This song has me posting on the top boards again

middle section sounds like something from Dan Deacon's America

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 pm
by cody
Stan wrote:
Song For Jerome, Walk With You from Noah's Ark, From A Beach, live Jabba, Sponge Luke, Guggenheim Jam,

man, how do they let so much good stuff fly by without getting the studio touch. i think live CTYS should be at the top of that list. for now the 2015 union park boot will have to do

i wonder how and when all of their personal live recordings will end up being released.. if they ever are...

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:40 pm
by roopn
ClangeStrams wrote:
This song has me posting on the top boards again

middle section sounds like something from Dan Deacon's America

Yes! That's an excellent comparison

Re: Defeat

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:55 am
by Strange_Clams
god damn i just remembered live CTYS aka Vacuum

fuckkkk

Re: Defeat

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:24 pm
by destiny
really been thinking about this one recently trying not to over listen, fuck its just so astonishing

just a frightened moooootherrrr
looking for her dasaaauuughhhtterrr

Re: Defeat

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:07 pm
by Tropic
Let this be the album closer on their last ever release

Re: Defeat

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:24 am
by destiny
Stanshant wrote:
The last section is beyond any shit I would dare to verbalise.

stan is right

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:23 am
by real slippi
this one takes the cake. alvin row squared

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:36 pm
by sound science
This one gave me so many feels the first time I listened that I had to wait a week before listening a second time. It really brings me back to the pre-MPP "golden age" of the band, which I came onboard during thee tail end of, when they still had that certain magic their last few albums have been lacking (I still adore recent AC, don't get me wrong, it's just been different).

As was already mentioned, the piano flourishes are very Feels-y. The middle section has that feeling of excitement that only an Avey song can give. I especially like the cello and saxophone in the build up. It's sad those components might not make it onto a record since they were played by local musicians.

But yeah, this song is an instant classic and all the Music Box material is great (though, still warming up to Tri Kid). It's still surreal to me, coming back to this recording after going on my first sort of AC hiatus for the past 5-6 months, when this material is exactly what I want from them at this point in their career. I wonder if/where Noah fits in here. They have songs that need drums, so perhaps we'll see him behind the kit again?

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:22 pm
by Tropic
Reminds me a surprising amount of The Lightning Strike by Snow Patrol haha

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:49 pm
by marginwalker
Did the asshole who stole Dave's notebook ever return it?

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:12 am
by roopn
Doubt it

Dude was a sociopath

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:54 am
by valar602
They better record it at the Music Box.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:19 am
by destiny
i was listening to the first part of this, obviously this is probably one of the best songs thjeyve ever written. but i wanst listening and was feeling it a lot and it got me to the point of tears, but just listening to it i couldnt help but smile, and i think you could sum all of animal collectives music up in a single face it would be a single smile through tears. RECORD IT!!!

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:55 am
by meys
i want to listen to this Music Box set finally to know what everyone’s raving about but the boot i have sounds a little unintelligible - what’s the clearest sounding version there is??

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:57 am
by Dallou
Everyone is going to be sooooo disappointed with the studio version for sur aha

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:29 pm
by destiny
we'll have whatever direwction they take it live 2019, we'll have the actual studio, and the beautiful music box, thats 3 whole ass defeats

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:08 pm
by Dallou
Like having different version has ever prevented people to talk about how they ruined this song or that song

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:24 pm
by Fovrodi
It never will but we gotta keep encouraging each other to have perspective

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:19 pm
by destiny
it is a widely established fact that u guys are in fact weenies but cant u appreciate that factoid

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:27 pm
by myersbeard
Defeat kind of reminds me of Crimson, which was an epic live song. did you guys feel satisfied when that some got its studio treatment?

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:29 pm
by destiny
myersbeard wrote:
Defeat kind of reminds me of Crimson, which was an epic live song. did you guys feel satisfied when that some got its studio treatment?

yeah crimson is one of my fav chz songs, the only song that got butchered in the transition from live to studio was monkey riches..im sure ppl will feel differently

Re: Defeat

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:52 pm
by bullseye
FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:
myersbeard wrote:
Defeat kind of reminds me of Crimson, which was an epic live song. did you guys feel satisfied when that some got its studio treatment?

yeah crimson is one of my fav chz songs, the only song that got butchered in the transition from live to studio was monkey riches..im sure ppl will feel differently

^this is exactly how i feel.
although altering the line "to live with someone in the heart of nowhere" was a sin.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:37 am
by destiny
on second thought they can actually ruin these songs if they autotune

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:59 pm
by destiny
this whole thing will come to pass






:negative:

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:35 pm
by clearwaters
Is this a suite?

Re: Defeat

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:59 pm
by spoogn
FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:
the only song that got butchered in the transition from live to studio was monkey riches..im sure ppl will feel differently

Mecrury man would like a word

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:30 am
by Strange_Clams
FEEL ON1NE!!! wrote:
on second thought they can actually ruin these songs if they autotune

lmfao dave uses a pitch correction/harmonizer vocal effect on kings and for the chorus of cherokee. you've willed this into existence dude

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:10 am
by the feeling store
After having just seen them play at Desert Daze though, I actually loved all the auto tune that Dave used. He managed to really use that to good effect.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:27 am
by destiny
i love it on cherokee

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:40 am
by Stanshant
Me too, couldn't help but grin when I heard that after already being a little familiar with the song from the previous boot. Sounds awesome, my favourite song after Defeat.

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:51 pm
by meys
yeah, the auto tune on all these songs slaps

Re: Defeat

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:07 pm
by Tropic
Booo-oh-ooo-uh-ooouull-duuuurrr