Collected Animals

kafkaesque wrote:

yo guys, let's found a new publication that appreciates good music like animal collective

This isn't the point.

The point is that AC is creating something elusive, and escaping the broader scope of folks who take it in thinking it'll be something it isn't.

You think Spirit or HCTI was widely appreciated on as broad of a scope as is expected out of them these days? Fuck no. It's niche as shit. That's their place. MPP was some kind of coincidence...The band always existed on their own plane, but intersected so closely with the general public's taste on MPP that they were catapulted to relevancy by proxy.

They're doing what they've always done. Some folks don't jive, others do. Is this not apart of the polarizing charm of the band?

Synusoid wrote:

Friendly reminder that you're insecure and an idiot if some reviewer affects your personal view of a band's work. Not really saying anyone is doing that though

that doesn't sound very friendly

Friendly reminder:
get your head out from those mags
and websites who try to
shape your style
take a risk just for yourself
and wade into the deep end of the ocean

that was actually a great review and I agree with it. like I explained in my post earlier, something is missing (magic, the same word he used), and that review explained it very well. THIS IS AC'S OWN FAULT, I'M SORRY BUT ALMOST EVERYTHING THEY DID BEFORE CHZ WAS JUST PURE GENIUS( T H E Y FUCKING C H A N G E D MY LIFE, and only The Beatles did that for me on the same scale) , and this isnt....its not that I expect them to do anything, and I'm disappointed because they didn't do what I wanted, the only thing want is that fucking AC-magic. and it IS here, but just not half as much as on albums before CHZ.

The fact that things like Justin Bieber has te same score (and that sum fucker like Jamie XX even got a 9.3) is stupid ofcourse, but the score also reflects the progression as a band, and if you compare this with albums like MPP/feels/ST/SJ etc... it's pretty reasonable to say this is about 2/3 points worse(ofc scores/grades don't really work for art, so don't focus to much on that particular thing)

Lacrimosa wrote:

that was actually a great review and I agree with it. like I explained in my post earlier, something is missing (magic, the same word he used), and that review explained it very well. THIS IS AC'S OWN FAULT, I'M SORRY BUT ALMOST EVERYTHING THEY DID BEFORE CHZ WAS JUST PURE GENIUS( T H E Y FUCKING C H A N G E D MY LIFE, and only The Beatles did that for me on the same scale) , and this isnt....its not that I expect them to do anything, and I'm disappointed because they didn't do what I wanted, the only thing want is that fucking AC-magic. and it IS here, but just not half as much as on albums before CHZ.

The fact that things like Justin Bieber has te same score (and that sum fucker like Jamie XX even got a 9.3) is stupid ofcourse, but the score also reflects the progression as a band, and if you compare this with albums like MPP/feels/ST/SJ etc... it's pretty reasonable to say this is about 2/3 points worse(ofc scores/grades don't really work for art, so don't focus to much on that particular thing)

Definitely disagree about Centipede. Still digesting this one but it seems like a really solid album to me, and it feels absurd to give it a 6.3.

the last bit of On Delay sounds like panda doing the willy wonka sample in daily routine

your dismissal of artists like kanye and beyonce (who are in their own way on the forefront of 'experimental pop') as mainstream trash people only like cus it's on the radio (does the radio even play kanye's recent stuff?), and your claim that anyone who doesn't like painting with just 'doesn't get it' cus it's too advanced or whatever - makes you seem like a pretentious 15 year old who's just discovered experimental music or something

Lacrimosa, maybe you haven't found the right angle to see the magic yet. Not that you have to find it though. Maybe someday it will just click. I feel it there, right there in the sound and the melodies — something very close to my heart. But I can imagine people seeing it flat and uninspired, because of the palette probably. I'm just inside the music already and can't feel it different now. Maybe my perceptions will change with time, but I feel the magic now.

this kind of thinking is just a huge missrepesentation of what being a performance artist entails. these guys literally are trying to support themselves with their music - like every other pop musician. this isn't a point of praise or criticism, it just is. like you could literally use that description for any artist.

i hate this idea of purity, cause all it does is glorify a past that's already been way too glorified, and it ignores a future that includes AC making good tunes for as long as they want

eveybody wants Feels, Sung Tongs..but its not hard to see why that's an unreasonable desire.. i've never heard of a band or artist who just blatantly goes back to an old sound like that. If the guys would've done some trite Feels-y sounding album with long cuts and guitars, they would've gotten even more criticism. you want the old AC and don't want the new AC, but if the new AC was old AC you'd want that, if the old AC was the new AC, you'd probably find ways to criticize it.

i don't mind the p4k review, the music the boys make now is very specific/is less accessible than it seems. you have to really dig their songwriting and care less about their textures and sounds (even tho that's why i fell in love with them to begin with). and if you don't like the way they write songs, then you probably won't like the album

like the only thing that bothers me is when people proclaim this band dead...it's just this needless "i created you now I will end you" bullshit

tbh this album is woefully out of place in 2016, but that's the beauty and respectability of it. it's not a part of some modern wave, it's not the cultural zeitgeist, it's an AC album with some really killer songs. i think in a few years this might be their best remembered - for music nerds - because it has some of their strongest songwriting in like 10 years.

[quote="Takyon" just want to make good enough music to sell a record, have a tour, and make enough income to support themselves.

I never said it was not an good album, or that this stupid 6.3 is a good score, it just doesnt feel nearly as special as what they did in the past. and ofcourse that could also be mostly me not able to hear the magic, I can only say how I feel about it and that P4K review felt like I felt.

Can someone remind me why we're comparing PW to TLOP again, missed that one

^ yeah honestly you could see this coming from a mile away.

Also if you dont think floridada or lying in the grass are among the best songs on the album(I see so many people putting them on the bottom) then you listened to the singles way too much. They are two of the most distinct/catchiest on this.

Can someone remind me why we're comparing PW to TLOP again, missed that one

Takyon wrote:

That's the purpose of criticism: assessing how something is received and if anyone can just summon the argument that any piece of media is somehow a pure artistic divinity then both my thoughts and yours are entirely useless.

You're talking exactly like someone who came in off the hype-train from MPP and are expecting their work to revolve around your expectations and hopes and aspirations for the group. It is all obviously subjective. What I've personally always found most profound about them is their ability to sculpt the sound into a world of it's own, and Painting With is a kind of concentrated version of some of the sonic trickery they've displayed over the past several years combined with plenty of freshness to keep the mixed bag in equilibrium.

like ya it doesnt matter why do i care blah blah, sorry

i think someone is gonna try and record it. im really into this record/feeling generally positive thanks

My outlook on life and my relationship to music vastly improved when I stopped reading pitchfork... Pitchfork define inauthenticity in the music world...