[moop]

i love it!!!

[blindmowing]

great listening experience, runs by with great pacing and sonic flow. a texture jump, from squiggles to shimmer to burps. awesome stuff

[r_o_s_s]

What a great little record. Kinda retroactively makes me have a greater appreciation for Geo's work on TS/IIN? (and to an extend the whole AC catalogue). It can sometimes be kinda difficult for me to parse what exact sounds he is contributing. I know it's SOMETHING, but can't always nail it down. A lot of sounds on here have a similar vibe to stuff on the last two records. Although obviously the source of the sounds is completely different.

Fav tracks: Petticoat and Knuckles to Nostrils

Would be so happy to get smaller releases like this more regularly from the AC-world.

[tulis]

tulis wrote:

MrAirplane wrote:

tdegenaro wrote:

yeah very fun listening party, geo very generous with info, though not sharing too much he didn't cover in the musican and filmmaker pod interview (great stuff).

album is great: a lot more variety of sounds than I expected from the two singles, album flows really cohesively. final track "raw deal" is an unedited track of all the samples geo used to make the whole album. 3:18 seconds into a whole record, very cool. one of those listen to the last track and instantly start it back over again.

excited to sit with it more.

is this on the album or was it just part of the listening party? i'm not seeing it referenced on any of the digital listings but could be a 'secret' song on bandcamp or something

yeah curious, apple music says avarice edit (which to my understanding is also an unedited sample) is 2:20, which makes me think "raw deal" is separate... wondering if it'll be included on digital.

ETA: the vinyl is very clearly only 7 tracks, with the final (avarice edit) clearly the shortest, not long enough to include raw deal. so either digital only bonus track or just something brian included for the live stream to show where the samples came from. did anyone rip the live stream? i'd like to have the raw deal track

Raw deal is available on Bandcamp but not on Apple music

[tdegenaro]

can confirm, part of the bandcamp digital download

[nothingmastered]

Really like this, a lovely trip. I think he played Knuckles to Nostrils live

[unrecordednight]

loving this, had it on repeat all day at work, very good vibes

[andthephantom]

Monday through Thursday, I have the house to myself. I expect to listen to this a lot.

Friday - wife's home too. Don't think it'll work.

Weekend - wife and kids. Definitely won't work.

[alvinrowx]

Very relaxing. Sounds a bit like a mix between Endless Summer by Fennesz and Transverse Temporal Gyrus (especially Ripper Called, which really sounds like TTG).

[BoomCheese]

Didn’t expect to find too much in this but I’m really loving Petticoat and Loose Gravel. Some of the others are solid too. I’m visiting the US for the first time soon and looking forward to playing Loose Gravel as I drive across the AZ desert.

[Jam]

Really lovely textural work here. It sounds like the noise a magic eye picture would make. Petticoat is the clear standout for me, but I think I'll be revisiting all of these tracks a lot.

[unrecordednight]

spent the better part of the day transcribing all the lyrics for the wiki if someone wants to add them:

Spoiler: show

[instrumental]

[unrecordednight]

maybe it's my imagination but there are a lot of moments in this album that give me AC vibes in a way that makes me appreciate geo's contributions to AC more acutely

[scrambledgreggs]

I like Wit of the Watermen

[andthephantom]

Getting the full p4k treatment. Nice little review and cool that Geo will get a few dozen new ears with it.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ge ... shaw-deal/

[headroom)))]

unrecordednight wrote:

maybe it's my imagination but there are a lot of moments in this album that give me AC vibes in a way that makes me appreciate geo's contributions to AC more acutely

Definitely agree. I had the feeling that this record could've come out as a solo Geo record in 2007. It feels of that era. Post SJ and Pre MPP.

[r_o_s_s]

andthephantom wrote:

Getting the full p4k treatment. Nice little review and cool that Geo will get a few dozen new ears with it.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ge ... shaw-deal/

Very funny to mention The Beach Boys for an album that has absolutely zero connection to their material. These journalists are obsessed!

[tdegenaro]

r_o_s_s wrote:

Very funny to mention The Beach Boys for an album that has absolutely zero connection to their material. These journalists are obsessed!

I don't think that's a fair read on the BB mention.

wrote:

A Shaw Deal is pretty charming, but what’s in it for the casual fan? It contains no nods to pop, no moments that aim for the Beach Boys-like transcendence that permeates even Animal Collective’s looser and more improvisational releases.

This is the opposite of bad music writers constantly dipping their toes in the beach boys anco handshake pool.

[r_o_s_s]

I suppose what I meant was there is really no reason to bring it up at all. It’s such a cliche. Why even mention it? I understand the point they’re making but they might as well be name-checking any other band. You could easily make the same point without talking about the beach boys at all. I just feel if I was writing a review for an AC record, I’d wanna stay as far away from that comparison as possible. Especially for an album that shares VERY little with BB’s work. It’s almost like they mentioned them because they felt that they had to.

[tdegenaro]

I guess I see that, but I also see the point being made about how shaw deal isn't your casual "oh they sound like beach boys ass" animal collective album

[r_o_s_s]

Don’t we all agree that’s a pretty trite observation though? Like I can understand its function when you’re reviewing a traditional AC album (harmonies and such) - even if it’s pretty unimaginative.

You could get away with making the same point here by just saying “this isn’t your usual animal collective harmony-laden jaunty fare”. You don’t have to bring up the beach boys at all.

[tdegenaro]

i guess so, i mean, i don't to beat a dead horse or seem like i am the author of this review which i am not, but the triteness of the observation is i think why dude is making it: this isn't the "my girls" type shit. could the author have wrote that in a million more interesting ways? I guess so. that comment didn't stand out to me at all though.

[scrambledgreggs]

I take more issue with the angle the review takes, which is essentially "this music is good but it's not for a casual fan so it gets a low score". why does music have to cater to a casual listener to be considered worthy?

[tdegenaro]

6.5 is not a low score! the review is positive! why am i dickriding a pitchfork review i feel like i'm going crazy!

[scrambledgreggs]

6.5 on pitchfork is like the low end of "not offensively bad" according to their scoring bell curve. but yeah the score doesn't seem to match the enthusiasm of the reviewer which is also typical

[tdegenaro]

i don't even think the reviewer always gets to pick the number

[destiny]

im starting to suspect you wrote the review

[tdegenaro]

i wish i wrote for pitchfork i just maintain my own stupid poopey little newsletter nobody reads

[pox]

6.5 is not a low score on pitchfork. nor is the review negative at all. also, complaining about every beach boys mention is more trite than mentioning beach boys imo. it makes sense in context. and listing the qualities of beach boys rather than namechecking beach boys, just for the sake of not namechecking beach boys, would make the writing poorer for the average reader who isn't put off by the mention of beach boys. its an easy universal shorthand.

[andthephantom]

I love the conversation - raises a lot of fun questions about what reviews are about. seems to me 6.5 wasn't low for p4k reviews in 2015 but is low for p4k reviews in 2025. Fewer 5s and fewer 9s - everything is moving toward some mushy center, which is disappointing.

Either way, I think an album's accessibility should figure into how it's scored (especially at a place like p4k with a pretty wide-ranging set of readers), and ASD signals that it isn't gonna be super-accessible in its first second - that opening wall of sound is abrupt and harsh. Even for me, I'll probably put this on less than Live in the Land of Sky and even Tuscon Tracks.

To me, the disappointing part of that Beach Boys line is that it's too easy of an out for other analysis. Yes, this one isn't gonna be among the AC records that reaches a wide audience, gets big critical traction, etc. Fine. Hard to argue. But then it would've been nice to place it more firmly within the AC-weird discography and even to place it within those moments of the AC discography that it resembles - Sux-Bier Passage; some intro/outro moments on Skiffs; new psycho actives. Hell, even Ark or DM or oddsac or Tangerine Reef. Also: what non-ac albums does it sound like? This is where I often find new music, and it seems to me that one major job of a reviewer is to place an album into conversation with other similar projects - we should expect reviewers to know about more artists than we know about and to clue us in, which this one doesn't do.

[pox]

you're probably right that they don't go outside the 7-8 range as much now, though i still don't think of it as a bad score. i think they also have to expand their usual curve when reviewing a.c. projects because they've placed so many of them in that upper range. there has to be some separation between a minor project and the canon of classics. they even start off that review basically spelling this out. pitchfork considers a.c.'s worthiness well established and they have to be evaluated by their own standard. to me, the 6.5 says this project is successful on its own terms but will not win many new fans or dramatically change or expand the narrative of the artists careers.

the review does bring up danse manatee and pullhair rubeye as examples of similarly challenging records. not really an apt comparison in terms of sound, granted. but i also wouldnt expect every reviewer to know all the weird corners of their catalogue offhand to pull the best reference, nor would that be especially useful to readers who are not deep fans themselves. i think the author paints a vivid picture of the sounds on this album without needing to compare it to other projects, though indeed it wouldn't hurt to place it more in the larger context of sampling, modular synthesis, instrumental guitar records etc. that could be a whole rabbit hole for a longer review to dive into but i guess they didnt want to spend more than a few paragraphs on this thing and i cant say i'm surprised. its a major release to us, but fairly minor in the music world at large.

[Fovrodi]

jordanrandall wrote:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_T5jpRvMnk&t=835s[/youtube]

Here is the interview that Greg and I did with Geologist! Hope you enjoy! Be sure to like and subscribe and all that shit.

Probably the only AC interview that's made me cry. ~30m mark

Great interview

[dio]

This record will join Burials Antidawn as ideal sauna/steam/hot tub music

[Alcohol]

https://www.hearingthings.co/doug-shaw- ... st-and-me/

[tulis]

Alcohol wrote:

https://www.hearingthings.co/doug-shaw- ... st-and-me/

What a brilliant profile, one that absolutely nails the exact appeal of Sleepy Doug as a person and his music. Can’t speak highly enough, go see him whenever you can