I wonder what Elektron stuff Avey was using on this. Could definitely be more monomachine or octatrack (tho not sure if they would label that as a 'synthesizer'). In the Pitchfork livestream video he has a Digitakt on his table setup (noticed that while watching it recently and I was wondering how they integrated that in their setup, seems like that style sequencer would be tricky to fit into the more natural/fluid instrumentation of the Skiffs set up). As a huge gear nerd, I'm loving this press kit info
I feel like its gotta be a digitone or analog four on this album
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:43 pm
by unrecordednight
awesome wrote:
unrecordednight wrote:
awesome wrote:
floats wrote:
Sounds like we may have collectively jumped the gun on the state of TS 2. Feels like there might be a lot of things undecided and unrecorded still.
yeah maybe but i also wonder if they're downplaying it to focus on ts1
yeah i'm now left wondering if what they recorded in december was a companion EP rather than a full length follow up. does 17 days of recording seem too short for an album or too long for an ep or could it go either way?
idk about recording time to album length conversion, but from the blast sessions the jams seem long enough for another 45-50 minute record
yeah and they even seem long enough for a LP + EP combo
25 min defeat
10 min magicians
8 min genie
6 min stride
6 min kings
6 min soul capturer
4 min gem
4 min broke
throw in 6 min peanut butter hearts
= 1hr15min = 45 min LP + 30 min EP? EP could just be defeat too
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:51 pm
by yunginternet
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:51 pm
by Pineapple_mage
speen wrote:
Pineapple_mage wrote:
I wonder what Elektron stuff Avey was using on this. Could definitely be more monomachine or octatrack (tho not sure if they would label that as a 'synthesizer'). In the Pitchfork livestream video he has a Digitakt on his table setup (noticed that while watching it recently and I was wondering how they integrated that in their setup, seems like that style sequencer would be tricky to fit into the more natural/fluid instrumentation of the Skiffs set up). As a huge gear nerd, I'm loving this press kit info
I feel like its gotta be a digitone or analog four on this album
The more 'traditional keyboard' kind of sounds you can get with FM for sure would fit in with the chromatic percussion sound palette heavily featured on Skiffs
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:52 pm
by Hellomark
yunginternet wrote:
Holy shit it really is 2009 again
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:52 pm
by Slippi's Applesauce
of course they could add some intros/outros, but broke barely hits 2 and a half minutes and id bet defeat may come out like 18-20 mins in the studio. other than that spot on. praying that defeat makes an LP
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:56 pm
by unrecordednight
very true, yeah i'm not sure why i thought defeat was 25, looking back at my library all of the versions i have are 20-22min. the 2021 broke i have in my library is 4 min but it has a 1+ minute intro. yeah i hope defeat is on an LP because it deserves the most attention it can get
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:58 pm
by blindmowing
okay, so who's listened to Time Skiffs the most?
i'm probably up to 10 listens so far -- i'm sure someone is probably 5x that
"Cherokee" is a treasure. this song is as good as i was hoping
probably the first time ever for me that the studio versions are all superior to the boots
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:03 pm
by dio
cheyrou wrote:
Say it with me “I take the AnCo Pledge”
Please dot let burrito boy off the hook yal
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:03 pm
by wilandhugs
right now I'm just like... having a headache thinking about how much material they have and releases. I guess we'll know a lot more after the march your though.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:03 pm
by blindmowing
re: saxophone
it's 100 percent a synthesizer using a setting that sounds like sax
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:04 pm
by awesome
god i wonder if we'll get some solo stuff this year too, or would that be asking too much
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:14 pm
by dio
awesome wrote:
god i wonder if we'll get some solo stuff this year too, or would that be asking too much
im so weird rn in that i.... DON'T want solo stuff lol. Like if it was some quick and dirty digital surprise drop or something, but they usually have to set a whole half a year aside away from band to do those cycles. Like... can they wait til after Skiffs 2 and THEN all drop solo triple albums...?
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:19 pm
by r_o_s_s
I really just need them to give the rest of the material from this era the love it deserves in the studio. The way Noah said in that interview ...
wrote:
Originally I feel like we had about two records worth of stuff to choose from before the pandemic hit
Makes me think maybe they feel like some of the material is disposable and another record isn't necessary. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:21 pm
by awesome
r_o_s_s wrote:
I really just need them to give the rest of the material from this era the love it deserves in the studio. The way Noah said in that interview ...
wrote:
Originally I feel like we had about two records worth of stuff to choose from before the pandemic hit
Makes me think maybe they feel like some of the material is disposable and another record isn't necessary. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
reads to me like they now have more than 2 records worth?
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:24 pm
by DownthereSwampthing
Hellomark wrote:
Passer-By is tricky cause I feel like the first half absolutely SLAPS and hits hard through speakers, but then the second half sounds better through headphones, you get to hear all those subtle details.
Gotta play it on two devices at once for the full experience! Start with speakers, then quickly throw on headphones as soon as the change up happens. I hope the LP comes with an instruction manual on best practices. For example, Slayer > Car Keys have to be played on car speakers, but then Prester John needs to be heard through headphones so there's time to get to your home speakers for Strung > Passer-by. Second half of Passer-by > We Go Back switches back to headphones so you can catch all the subtle nuances in the mix, then bring it home with Royal and Desire on home speakers.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:24 pm
by r_o_s_s
awesome wrote:
r_o_s_s wrote:
I really just need them to give the rest of the material from this era the love it deserves in the studio. The way Noah said in that interview ...
wrote:
Originally I feel like we had about two records worth of stuff to choose from before the pandemic hit
Makes me think maybe they feel like some of the material is disposable and another record isn't necessary. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
reads to me like they now have more than 2 records worth?
Huh, guess you could be right. Suppose it's a glass half empty/glass half full scenario lol
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:25 pm
by dio
awesome wrote:
r_o_s_s wrote:
I really just need them to give the rest of the material from this era the love it deserves in the studio. The way Noah said in that interview ...
wrote:
Originally I feel like we had about two records worth of stuff to choose from before the pandemic hit
Makes me think maybe they feel like some of the material is disposable and another record isn't necessary. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
reads to me like they now have more than 2 records worth?
Um its neither? I think it just means there is literally one more record cooking rn. And on top of that, because most of that 2nd album is 2-4 years old, they are likely writing all sorts of other songs that may be solo OR band songs/for the march tour. (hella solo tracks for panda confirmed for instance)
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:31 pm
by Fovrodi
This is Spiderman 3 to SJ/MPP
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:33 pm
by dio
That could be construed as both a diss AND good thing.
It might be the Spirited Away to Feels' Totoro honestly
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:34 pm
by Fovrodi
I love Spiderman 3
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:37 pm
by unrecordednight
i know it's already been settled but sharing just for laughs, amongst dming josh about royal and sleep cycle i had asked about if maybe there was sax on royal and he said quote "No sax!!!" lol
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:41 pm
by dio
^lol nice av.
Yeah just a weird synth is most elegant answer. Idk why people assume it has to be processed vox. But like still might be (I swear ill drop this in a sec)
Is the sax sample in Lying in the Grass credited? I kinda doubt these are samples but like. Could be. Ok Either this has to go in R&D thread now or else ill stop I swear
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:44 pm
by flare
Colin Stetson played on Painting With, but I can't remember if he's specifically credited on Lying in the Grass
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:46 pm
by partario
unrecordednight wrote:
awesome wrote:
floats wrote:
Sounds like we may have collectively jumped the gun on the state of TS 2. Feels like there might be a lot of things undecided and unrecorded still.
yeah maybe but i also wonder if they're downplaying it to focus on ts1
yeah i'm now left wondering if what they recorded in december was a companion EP rather than a full length follow up. does 17 days of recording seem too short for an album or too long for an ep or could it go either way?
I'm assuming they spent all 17 of those studio days working on Defeat. They probably needed the time to figure out how to expand it to a 40 minute single-song LP.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:47 pm
by jfw7
iirc the saxophone on LITG is some sample geo found + stetson plays elsewhere
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:49 pm
by flare
jfw7 wrote:
iirc the saxophone on LITG is some sample geo found + stetson plays elsewhere
This makes sense. I can only remember Stetson being credited on Floridada (iirc)
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:50 pm
by jerry wonder
dio wrote:
^lol nice av.
Yeah just a weird synth is most elegant answer. Idk why people assume it has to be processed vox. But like still might be (I swear ill drop this in a sec)
Is the sax sample in Lying in the Grass credited? I kinda doubt these are samples but like. Could be. Ok Either this has to go in R&D thread now or else ill stop I swear
Yeah even Larry Fitzmaurice at Yahoo who reviewed the album made the mistake of saying it's sax. Anyone who has seen the live shows or the vids of RnD would know that it's Avey's processed vocals. I guess there's a chance it's something else but pretty damn sure.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:51 pm
by scrambledgreggs
I love how the first three tracks, more rhythmically focused on keys and grooves, seem to belong in the same world and then Strung comes along and blows up any sonic cohesion they'd built up thus far
someone mentioned a few pages back that Car Keys sounds like it's threatening to burst out of the world of the album and become its own thing, but I sort of feel that way about every song on the album, and even moreso for Strung and beyond. it does really feel like a time machine, each song is like its own episode in an anthology series (same actors but different/parallel universes) after jumping through time and space to somewhere totally different. there are certain threads that you can follow through the whole album, especially lyrically, but I think this may be their most bonkers album in terms of the range of sounds, moods, and atmosphere
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:12 pm
by Fonz
This album is great I love their chiller stuff. Kinda like Water Curses.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:46 pm
by jerry wonder
Berman at pitchfork seems like a real fan, got lucky he reviewed the album!
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:50 pm
by mildew_on_rice
Anyone else feel like Car Keys could totally have been a CHZ B-side? It's mixed completely differently of course but the synth usage is so CHZ.
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:59 pm
by unrecordednight
i do, yeah both car keys and we go back are the only two on here that feel like a through line back through pw and chz
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:59 pm
by Fovrodi
wrote:
“Car Keys” is a song that I’ve been hovering around for a long time, since Tomboy [Panda Bear, 2011]. Around 2010 or so, I just started obsessing about what drives us, especially the uglier sides of human beings and where that comes from and why that happens. The first line is about wanting to take ownership of your instincts and the metaphor for me was I wanted to be driving the car, not something else. So car keys became this sort of symbol of self-control.
There is always a light in the darkness, and sometimes it is best not to fight the dark, but to instead stay true to the path of balance. Kinda feel like Avey has reached a Yoda synthesis for my Star Wars heads out there
Quite a temporal song. Pondering the perspective of time, and how people tend to view it. I see it mainly as a criticism of instant validation, and how as a people have developed stronger anxieties over patience.
Seems to me about finding peace in the inwards and inevitable collapse of Western ideals. Not by any necessary "moral" implications, but by the unsustainable nature of societies built on philanthropy and faith in bureaucracy.
Coming to personal terms with a world that is paradoxical. It is impossible to entirely rationalize or to find absolute logic in the meaning of us, and the cyclical nature of cosmos and sociological norms is something that we have to tightrope walk in nothing but stride.
A lot of people have made a lot of great points of the grief angle of this song, but I take it as a personal antidepressant. Even if life is nothing but unfair to us, there will always be people who love and care for you, and that we all have potential for greatness-- just take it one step at a time, and relax.
I swim in the line where Avey is offended that people would question his nationality. As an American who is in constant battle with my identity, but have found my own little things to love about this place in spite of all of the negativity, I often hear people refer to me as "European in nature". To many, it seems it's paradoxical to be American and to be in touch with yourself. But it is our experiences, our open mindedness, and our connection to ourselves and the things that we love, that truly define how we experience the country we live in. The stoop is America. We must synthesize all of the beautiful ideas that have come out of the Failed Western Experience, and learn from our mistakes and the people who previously tended this land before us to create a better world for everyone.
To me, this is the most poignant of all the songs. It clearly embodies the spirit of feeling alone in the universe. I think this is something we all relate to here-- there's so many awful, awful people out there. Especially in a place like America. And while I may never meet any of you, this forum is my Passerby. Re igniting my passion for people at a glance, and knowing there are quite a few good souls out there. When the full Q bird dropped, someone sent me a DM before I could even ask for it. I felt so grateful to be seen and known by someone, and often question if how much more I should give back to those in the world out of nothing but pure impulse. Very powerful, and very cathartic.
These might be my favorite lyrics as a huge physics nerd-- Conservation of Energy-- how far we go back is how forward we go--just some crazy stuff. But in a more right-brained way, I believe this song is about Karma. You can only receive good by doing good, and you can only learn and become better at something by practice. And even then, it still is all up to the cosmos and up to the actions of other people at the end of the day too, so don't be so discouraged if you don't succeed the first time. Just keep trying.
Josh has such a seriously simple way with words that we can all understand and empathize with, and it's so amazing how complex the ideas in this song just are. I could go on for hours about each line (well, maybe that's true for every song...), but I think this continues the idea of trial in the face of adversity, and sums it up in an incredibly universal and grounded way. Simple living, being true to yourself and others, the cyclical nature of things, the bad with the good... he hits on just about every notion every other song hits on. To me, this may be their most effective closer for that reason; it is a true conclusion to the thesis of the album, something too complex to simplify, but Josh manages to sail us away into his foggy synthesis of themes, and manages to find peace not only in that complexity, but has found meaning in always trying to understand it
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts, they very much influenced my analysis-- I don't think I could've came to these conclusions without you guys!
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:12 pm
by Slippi's Applesauce
unrecordednight wrote:
awesome wrote:
floats wrote:
Sounds like we may have collectively jumped the gun on the state of TS 2. Feels like there might be a lot of things undecided and unrecorded still.
yeah maybe but i also wonder if they're downplaying it to focus on ts1
yeah i'm now left wondering if what they recorded in december was a companion EP rather than a full length follow up. does 17 days of recording seem too short for an album or too long for an ep or could it go either way?
Don’t forget in that interview with panda and Avey from a few weeks ago they said they were in Brooklyn recording a sort of companion record. Not sure why panda is rewriting the narrative lol
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:14 pm
by wilandhugs
Slippi's Applesauce wrote:
unrecordednight wrote:
awesome wrote:
floats wrote:
Sounds like we may have collectively jumped the gun on the state of TS 2. Feels like there might be a lot of things undecided and unrecorded still.
yeah maybe but i also wonder if they're downplaying it to focus on ts1
yeah i'm now left wondering if what they recorded in december was a companion EP rather than a full length follow up. does 17 days of recording seem too short for an album or too long for an ep or could it go either way?
Don’t forget in that interview with panda and Avey from a few weeks ago they said they were in Brooklyn recording a sort of companion record. Not sure why panda is rewriting the narrative lol
Lol what if Domino was like "shut the fuck up actually".
Re: Time Skiffs
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:21 pm
by onebraineno
speen wrote:
Just tossin this in the ring: every sound on the album is sax, processed through many effects
