Collected Animals

Ben Allen bad

Hahah, not gonna lie, kinda glad to hear the return of the keep AC weird camp. Love yall. Revisiting these Feels boots after so many years is so nice. It's peak AC... psych!! There is no peak, no matter what that lawyer tried to tell me earlier. You can't adjust for novelty and youth; your own and the band's.

Also, whoever complained about PB singing weird live, and the person who said Avey can't play bass, hella funny. Those are some The Voice/American Idol type takes. This is AC, the bees the bees the bees reeerrreeerrreewwwerrrrr. If its not off sounding, its not right.

I 100% agree with everything you just said headroom

yea N00blets

fine you know what im about to say it
i keep on going to recent avey boots and i just hate the backing track of elecdrums and synths + stems with him singing and playing and guitar over it. just feels so texturally boring and something he feels like he has to do to to play these songs... anmd you can just hear thats how it is instead of everything sitting together nicely in a raw way

and i dont really like pb backing track with singing over it octatrack style. both of them had The Fucking Best solo setups/sets in 2011,, i think peak pb is 2009 still rocking SPs with beautiful korg m3 collaging with no guitar... man.. but avey 2011 is next level in terms of mix of sequenced stuff + stuff played live/live sample collages.. jeez feels good to get off my chest.. i think the cows tour for avey was disappointing too compared to the liveliness and Realness of the 2017 sets. give it to us raw fellas!

Saw Avey at Desert Daze in 2017. Only song I think was hurt by the setup was Ms. Secret, it needs that vox only stretch. Particularly arresting set especially for a festival crowd hearing mostly new joints. Wish I could catch him on this tour

Hahah, not gonna lie, kinda glad to hear the return of the keep AC weird camp. Love yall. Revisiting these Feels boots after so many years is so nice. It's peak AC... psych!! There is no peak, no matter what that lawyer tried to tell me earlier. You can't adjust for novelty and youth; your own and the band's.

Also, whoever complained about PB singing weird live, and the person who said Avey can't play bass, hella funny. Those are some The Voice/American Idol type takes. This is AC, the bees the bees the bees reeerrreeerrreewwwerrrrr. If its not off sounding, its not right.

I never complained about pandas weird singing I merely wonder why he do what he do

I am wondering why he's started... growling... in recent PB/SB shows

I am wondering why he's started... growling... in recent PB/SB shows

haha yeah wtf?

I think Bullseye called it "cookie monster vocals" in the panda thread? How are feeling about this? He was doing a bunch more in that recent LA boot lol

I think it's a hint how sinister grift will sound like. He probably had a change of mind, turned all the twangy guitars into chugging high distortion metal riffs and all the vocals will be deep satanic growls. That's also why he wants to get deakin into the boat, in addition to mixing, he's gonna provide some ear piercing finger tapping solos on a bunch of songs. That's one of the few musical areas the boys haven't covered yet, so I'm fairly certain that's exactly what's going to happen. And of course all the drums will be littered with really fast double bass pedal action!

rohcti wrote:

I am wondering why he's started... growling... in recent PB/SB shows

haha yeah wtf?

I think Bullseye called it "cookie monster vocals" in the panda thread? How are feeling about this? He was doing a bunch more in that recent LA boot lol

at the show the growling sounded to my ears like he was doing an ‘analog vocoder’ effect — it blended pretty well into the palette of synth leads and drones. i haven’t listened to meys’ boot yet so i don’t know if it comes across on the recording in the same way

it sounds like he’s employing some basic throat singing techniques, like the low/middle part in this example

I think it's a hint how sinister grift will sound like. He probably had a change of mind, turned all the twangy guitars into chugging high distortion metal riffs and all the vocals will be deep satanic growls. That's also why he wants to get deakin into the boat, in addition to mixing, he's gonna provide some ear piercing finger tapping solos on a bunch of songs. That's one of the few musical areas the boys haven't covered yet, so I'm fairly certain that's exactly what's going to happen. And of course all the drums will be littered with really fast double bass pedal action!

why is everyone so especially freakin funny on CA today lol

rohcti wrote:

I am wondering why he's started... growling... in recent PB/SB shows

haha yeah wtf?
I think Bullseye called it "cookie monster vocals" in the panda thread? How are feeling about this? He was doing a bunch more in that recent LA boot lol

I thought he was going for a more rock n' roll singing style. I only noticed it on Edge of the Edge. I thought it sounded cool when he transitioned to the clean yelpy vocals for the chorus and got raspy again on "its forever at the push of a button"

headroom))) wrote:

Hahah, not gonna lie, kinda glad to hear the return of the keep AC weird camp. Love yall. Revisiting these Feels boots after so many years is so nice. It's peak AC... psych!! There is no peak, no matter what that lawyer tried to tell me earlier. You can't adjust for novelty and youth; your own and the band's.

Also, whoever complained about PB singing weird live, and the person who said Avey can't play bass, hella funny. Those are some The Voice/American Idol type takes. This is AC, the bees the bees the bees reeerrreeerrreewwwerrrrr. If its not off sounding, its not right.

I never complained about pandas weird singing I merely wonder why he do what he do

My bad if I read you wrong. Everyone is so sassy these days, i thought I'd try it out too. I'm not sure what type of singing you're referring to, but would love a link, cuz now I'm curious.

I don't know why Panda (or Avey) do anything but I would guess maybe he's trying to be creative, or think it sounds cool. Some of the best AC moments for me when seeing them live have been wild vocal sounds. They catch me off guard and feel so out of place, that it's exciting as fuck. Like a magic trick.
Definitely didn't expect this one, but man was it cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMPWllOnRjQ&t=1599s

This also reminds me of 07 Panda Tourette syndrome outbursts. Not sure why he did that, but it sounded cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgxzIv36PU&t=20s
He also would do this baby talk babble that was really interesting around that time.

I feel that these two are masters of the delay, and get pumped on how it can really mess with your sense of perception in a psychedelic way.

the way noah uses his voice live sometimes reminds me of the way young kids use their voices, playfully testing the outer limits of what their voices can do across all different dimensions. which is to say he's just really feeling himself lol

I liked the pre-skiffs arrangement of walker, super minimal clean tune. Drums didn't need that swing and the less embellished vocal melody was pleasing

Jeez roopn this is the contrarian thread not the shit all over the band thread yeesh

I am literally insane bro

Laughing Hieroglyphic video of Avey as different universal monsters seducing a damsel when? Avey Mummy, frankenstein, wolfman, monsters of that sort going full peppy le-pew on a seductress

Just want to say that I love the way Dave and Noah experiment with their voices. Can’t think of another pair quite like them. Constantly pushing in new directions and just fucking going for it with absolutely no regard for what cool or fashionable vocals sound like

I am wondering why he's started... growling... in recent PB/SB shows

I've had a feeling it started as him trying to mimic Pete

There's no AC song better than this:

I'm just older and have other things I have to think about instead of being high and listening to a burned Sung Tongs cd all the time

ty for the new sig

My unpopular opinion: While panda bear is an amazing drummer, I believe his true talents are wasted when performing behind a kit. His standing drum/sampler combo was peak

10000% agree, not necessarily "wasted talent" but i do hope he goes back to the sampler again someday. he has a daft-punk tier ear for it (obvs since they collabed )

my contrarian take is that studio defeat was the 2nd weakest iteration of defeat (only a little better than when they did the harpsichord middle section). i heard music box village again and felt it much harder, i think they dragged the tempo down too much and vamped a lot on the loosest parts of the song. maybe it fits in with the moodier tone after 5 years + a pandemic, but i feel like it languishes in its emptiness now. the string swells and dives in the third section would have been such an enormous addition to pull from the music box version. it's still a solid track, but i think they overcooked it.

my true contrarian defeat take is that the harpsichord version of the midsection was much cooler than people gave it credit for, the ren faire vibes were perfectly suited for the song and it was audibly a big hit with the crowds of all the 2019 boots. really the only problem was that it needed some extra oomph, just noah using the crash cymbal to add emphasis during the vocal section would've been enough. either way i'd still take that version over what it got changed to

Music box defeat is the worst version. They worked tirelessly to improve it and the version we got is significantly more emotionally impactful. This holds for all three sections

Likewise, the one of the silliest things that fans of this band do is complain about “Demoitis” (took me a bit to figure out that this was not pronounced “dee-moy-tis” when I stated lurking). One of the joys of being a fan is how many iterations a song can go through, especially exciting on a new tour. Like any good live band, fans …. *record* these different versions. You can listen to them at any time. It’s crazy to me that people complain about the final studio version of different songs/albums. I have never experienced this and it never occurred to me that it would happen to anybody until reading people’s complaints about PBVSGR (?????) and numerous other releases. It’s like if a Phish fan complained that they’re worse in the studio. Asinine. Sorry if this is you, i mean no malice, but I think you are a little silly billy.

oh you're good lol, i am definitely a silly billy

i will say it's less a material thing of "i wish my favorite iteration of this song had a studio-quality recording i could listen to" and more a sort of internal dilemma that arises from the feeling of "it's odd that my favorite band doesn't seem to reliably know which of their ideas are their best ones"

which is still an arguably very silly thing to spend time Posting Online about but hey

you have to acknowledge that studio versions are the clearest, most final/definitive versions though. like yeh, you can actively go and find the mp3s on your laptop of that one version you like best but day in day out you and most others are listening to studio recordings. so ideally you think of it as the best or close to the best version of the song.

Harpsichord defeat fucking slaps. How funny is it that we can say for the same song, “this is great but I wish they kept the harpsichord and auto-tune”

you have to acknowledge that studio versions are the clearest, most final/definitive versions though. like yeh, you can actively go and find the mp3s on your laptop of that one version you like best but day in day out you and most others are listening to studio recordings. so ideally you think of it as the best or close to the best version of the song.

hmm yeah, i think animal collective aspires to break that norm of studio=definitive but they can't/don't want to do the normal jam band thing of being excellent live performers who turn in obligatory studio albums occasionally. they're umm not the cleanest live band, they don't release many live albums, and they reliably do put a lot of extra focus and care into their studio recordings. i think the only way in which they really do manage to transcend the studio=definitive thing is when they rework songs after they've been released as well as before

I adore studio defeat but it would’ve been their all time best if they merged their ideas for the middle section into a cohesive unit. Gimme music box vocal melody with 2019 harpsichord and the new lyrics and ad libs. Would’ve fucking died on the spot.
Was the autotune in defeat well received? I really didn’t like it despite enjoying it in the other tracks. Just felt out of place imo

I think watery vox in the first section of Defeat would've been better than the clean ones in the studio.

But I also don't care.

less a band complaint and more a fan complaint
maybe im just a crotchety AC old head now but a) in what world would the band put a new version of a song from an album they released over 10 years prior on their brand new, completely different album and b) do people for real stop looking for things these days if they're not on Spotify? watch it on youtube my man! grab the MP3 they split off from the visuals! i hope this isn't coming off as gatekeepy, if you go on the hunt you'll find so many little gems along the way!!

No, you're absolutely right, these people are the dregs.

Lips at night is the first and only time I have ever felt like the band or one of the artists has retreaded on a sound, it just sounds too much like man of oil to me. even songs that are compositionally similar like daily routine or chores they still sound not alike at all. but its only once and i still like lips at night enuff

less a band complaint and more a fan complaint

Spoiler: show

maybe im just a crotchety AC old head now but a) in what world would the band put a new version of a song from an album they released over 10 years prior on their brand new, completely different album and b) do people for real stop looking for things these days if they're not on Spotify? watch it on youtube my man! grab the MP3 they split off from the visuals! i hope this isn't coming off as gatekeepy, if you go on the hunt you'll find so many little gems along the way!!

This pissed me off so much. Age of convenience will ruin us all.
P.S. thanks for censoring my handle lol

ty for the new sig

Haha, glad to help where I can.

im not sure why people say Gnip Gnop is the worst Painting With era song when Goalkeeper is right there

never been a Painting With Hater but i am SURE that there's a universe where this collection of songs is shuffled around and people see it in a better light and to be honest, i think it involves removing FloriDada

I like Gnip Gnip and Goalkeeper. I don't think any PW songs are bad at all. Also yes floridada is honestly one of the weirder tracks in context, and golden gal, cuz they feel sorta detached from the other songs in tone, and honestly production. Feel like the other tracks are a bit more subdued in a certain way than those two.

you have to acknowledge that studio versions are the clearest, most final/definitive versions though. like yeh, you can actively go and find the mp3s on your laptop of that one version you like best but day in day out you and most others are listening to studio recordings. so ideally you think of it as the best or close to the best version of the song.

I do acknowledge this I guess I’ve never thought of any studio recording as *less than ideal* compared to any live version. I also don’t rate convenience too highly when thinking about this I guess? I think we all wished ODDSAC was on streaming or purchasable as just audio in some way but I never see anybody criticize the band for insisting that it exist as a visual album in the same way they criticize changes between versions. Again, difference may be that those exist in high quality, which I recognize, but just the same it’s all there if you want it.

EDIT: didn’t see the concurrent conversation about ODDSAC, but I feel exactly the same way about both of these things. Understand they’re kind of different.

painting with songs already feel so uniform and restrained for an ac album. if you remove floridada/golden gal it would be even more lacking in variation. thats not necessarily a good or bad thing, but i think the dismissive reception to that album has a lot to with relative lack of peaks and valleys. people don't go to ac to hear a cold stylistic exercise.