[amber]

Fried vamp

[Texas Trill]

joby wrote:

no ones laughing at your for going to art school (i went to art school), people are just trying to politely point out that you are presenting your argument solely based on a personal observation of a sex/gender binary that is fundamentally sexist and false. I know many female painters of all kinds who are into waaaaaay weirder more challenging shit than animal collective--and that frankly would consider animal collective to be way too "vanilla" for their tastes--u dig? also Beyonce is not "vanilla." she be challenging and pushing the boundaries of her genre same way our boys do theirs.

I do appreciate you being civil but jfw7 did in fact write "lol, 'I went to two liberal art school", which was presumably done to mock me.

I also understand that when observing preferences based on gender, it is necessary to avoid claiming sexist opinions. But I was not saying opinions, I was saying a fact. The fact is I also know many abstract painters, both male and female. In contrast to you, of the female ones I know, most do not listen to weird music. They tend to listen to more vanilla stuff (in this case vanilla means popular, mainstream or conventional i.e. vanilla is viewed as the most popular ice cream flavor. I admit that Beyoncé is not the most conventional musician but she is very popular and mainstream). I then went on to say that abstract art does not always go hand in hand with with abstract music. That was my initial argument. That's it.
It was not that female abstract painters don't understand weird music. I was just providing an example of my own experience to relate to the OP and to say that I also know some female painters who don't really like weird music
I'm not intentionally trying to be argumentative or derail the thread, but I am very bothered that people keep bringing up that I'm being sexist or that I'm being shitty for making observations involving gender. I am not

Le Lesbive wrote:

he is literally saying that the female abstract artists he knows are not into weirder noisier music and that the male ones he knows are

Le Lesbive gets it

/rant

[unpopular]

johnnyvulpine wrote:

also my favorite colors was always kinda strange . i guess almost every animal collective song could have a weirdness to it - or something . i don't like that word

holy shit i forgot about my favorite colors, the first time i heard it i thought i downloaded a fake song. it's grown on me though, it's a nice little interlude

[CokePotCrack]

I think their weirdest stuff is probably danse manatee, hcti, hollindagain, stuff like that. Very abrasive and unusual.

[Texas Trill]

Avey's side projects are also really weird

Terrestrial Tones
Pullhair Rubeye
Crumbling Land

[jfw7]

Texas Trill wrote:

joby wrote:

no ones laughing at your for going to art school (i went to art school), people are just trying to politely point out that you are presenting your argument solely based on a personal observation of a sex/gender binary that is fundamentally sexist and false. I know many female painters of all kinds who are into waaaaaay weirder more challenging shit than animal collective--and that frankly would consider animal collective to be way too "vanilla" for their tastes--u dig? also Beyonce is not "vanilla." she be challenging and pushing the boundaries of her genre same way our boys do theirs.

I do appreciate you being civil but jfw7 did in fact write "lol, 'I went to two liberal art school", which was presumably done to mock me.

I also understand that when observing preferences based on gender, it is necessary to avoid claiming sexist opinions. But I was not saying opinions, I was saying a fact. The fact is I also know many abstract painters, both male and female. In contrast to you, of the female ones I know, most do not listen to weird music. They tend to listen to more vanilla stuff (in this case vanilla means popular, mainstream or conventional i.e. vanilla is viewed as the most popular ice cream flavor. I admit that Beyoncé is not the most conventional musician but she is very popular and mainstream). I then went on to say that abstract art does not always go hand in hand with with abstract music. That was my initial argument. That's it.
It was not that female abstract painters don't understand weird music. I was just providing an example of my own experience to relate to the OP and to say that I also know some female painters who don't really like weird music
I'm not intentionally trying to be argumentative or derail the thread, but I am very bothered that people keep bringing up that I'm being sexist or that I'm being shitty for making observations involving gender. I am not

Le Lesbive wrote:

he is literally saying that the female abstract artists he knows are not into weirder noisier music and that the male ones he knows are

Le Lesbive gets it

/rant

hint: there are some points in here (the good ones) that have nothing to do with gender! if you had said "yeah some of the abstract painters [what a weird phrase to have repeated so many times in this thread!] i know are into mainstream music, which seems like an aesthetic clash" it would have been a fine post in a mediocre thread. but you made literally the only reason for your post to continue the girlness from the op and set up a stereotype about how boys do one thing and girls do another, and the fact that you set up the parallel between abstract painting and weird music (lol is lightning bolt still considered weird in 2016???) made it sort of a value judgment about authenticity i think.

i feel like yr a good poster and probably a good dude though, but like i said, showing yr ass in some of the thread

[joby]

Texas Trill wrote:

It's true. I went to two liberal art schools for college and for the most part the women painters were more into Beyoncé and other 'vanilla' musicians. I'm not knocking their tastes, but I found it more common for the male painters to be more into weird, experimental music

Alls I'm saying is that based on your posts--like this one--you are not talking about observable facts, but are instead projecting a gendered narrative onto your observations of people's taste in music. I really doubt that at these two schools you attended--as a rule--people's gender identity had any bearing on whether or not they listened to weird music over popular music.

I also don't think OP was trying to correlate their partner's taste in music to their gender identity. That's a conversation you started.

[joby]

Btw the David Rosenboom piece was "Zones of Influence"

[Texas Trill]

Jfw7, my initial post was in response to what Pan had said before, that I should've directly quoted

Pan wrote:

surely as an abstract painter she would be used to uncoventional art, esp since compared to their early discog (and experimental music in general) it is not that strange

After my first post I had no intention of making a statement about gender and abstract art/music. Neither was it about value judgement, which is why I went on to say, "I'm not knocking [the women painter's] tastes." My point was about how there's not always a correlation between making abstract art and liking weird music. Later, I was just trying to respond to you and clarify what you had quoted. But then I got offended by people calling me sexist.

joby wrote:

Alls I'm saying is that based on your posts--like this one--you are not talking about observable facts, but are instead projecting a gendered narrative onto your observations of people's taste in music. I really doubt that at these two schools you attended--as a rule--people's gender identity had any bearing on whether or not they listened to weird music over popular music.

I also don't think OP was trying to correlate their partner's taste in music to their gender identity. That's a conversation you started.

Like I said I was not trying to start that conversation, but other people continued to bring it up. It was just a detail in the argument I was making, not the argument itself.
Also I AM talking about an observable fact. I don't know how many times I have to say this: "THE FEMALE ABSTRACT ARTISTS I KNOW DONT REALLY LIKE WEIRD MUSIC." I know this; I have talked to them about what music they're into before. YOU are the one who is projecting the gendered narrative, even after I say I am not. I also made a point to say that what I have observed was not a universal truth (obviously)
I am not showing my ass, I am just defending and explaining myself because people are putting words in my mouth. The only reason this conversation is continuing is because I keep getting counter-arguments and I'm trying to clarify my original post.


Regardless, I'm sure you guys and I both agree that this has become overblown

[joby]

wait theres no face palm emoji on this site? really CA? oh well, use your imaginations....

[Texas Trill]

Again, it seems like you are not fully understanding what I have said

[Rhemphill]

[Sad Cuck]

Texas Trill wrote:

Again, it seems like you are not fully understanding what I have said

Just give up man. Joby's face is already buried deep in his palm due to your ignorance. No explanation can change this. Just apologize for being wrong, or don't, because either way, he's right!

[inkspot]

fact: he's saying all the femme painters abstracted don't like weirdo shit music!

fact: he is NOT saying ALL abstract feminine sculptors only like mainstream shit

opinion: you guys are being really jerks to him

fact: stop being jerks!

uh!

[kafkaesque]

yo we should stop talking about one person's anecdotal experience with abstract painters and start talking about awesome weird shit this band has made

[Texas Trill]

Yes, thank you. Let's do that


Weirdest lyric?

"Berries in my heart bread" comes to mind

[inkspot]

something about the scared ass babies shitting themselves

like what the HELL avey?

that's so not gravy!

(actually wait... it kind of IS!)


i'm not wavey gravey and all this time I was smoking harmless tomacco!



*TURNS INTO A WOLF AND ATTACKS*

(^man what the fuck is THAT shit, avey!)


you put that dog up that tree didn't you you sick duck!

[jfw7]

inkspot wrote:

*TURNS INTO A WOLF AND ATTACKS*

(^man what the fuck is THAT shit, avey!)

haha

[joby]

lol took me forever to get over it when i found out it was "frightened babies poo"

[Ethmin]

can't believe noone mentioned playpen yet

one of my favorite "weird" tracks by them

[Freak]

whoa what is the ART for that vid

weirdest song is prob like

"In The City That Reads"

it's like interstitial Danse/HCTI sounding
very muted, bummer ghost vocals
hustle bustle of the city
and slow heartbeat of the sick
and then that GORGEOUS
come up come down
aahhhhhhhh

[roopn]

Speaking of weird lyrics, Avey seems to think you can sleep on your toes? Lablakely Dress and sleeper factory have that one. What the hell does he mean?

[Vovenarg]

inkspot wrote:

something about the scared ass babies shitting themselves

like what the HELL avey?

that's so not gravy!

lolololol

[Tropic]

Texas Trill wrote:

Yes, thank you. Let's do that


Weirdest lyric?

"Berries in my heart bread" comes to mind

Ha, not that I want you to feel like the world is against you in this thread, but I love that lyric and don't think it's weird at all, especially given other lines Avey's penned. I think that's such a sweet and succinct line.

[Vovenarg]

me 2! love that line

[jetski]

A lot of great stuff posted already. Even though there's the obvious stuff like Danse, hollinndagain and hcti, I think some of my favorite weird tracks are the really dark-sounding stuff like Tuvin and the Pumpkin trilogy. There are so many random rarities that I haven't heard and I'm always amazed by how crazy some of their unreleased stuff is. I hadn't heard Playpen before actually so thanks for that Ethmin. LOVE In the City That Reads, interesting snapshot of the band pretty much at the peak of their 'weird' era

One of my favorite weird AC tracks is the dublab version of Always You. It's not on youtube unfortunately, someone should upload it. I always thought it sorta sounded like a more fucked-up version of Micachu and the Shapes or something. It's a totally different song than the acoustic version

[rampface]

This thread went to shit really fast

[jetski]

but the last 10 posts or so have been really good!

[Texas Trill]

Victor Borge wrote:

but the last 10 posts or so have been really good!

Agreed

Tropic of Cans wrote:

Ha, not that I want you to feel like the world is against you in this thread, but I love that lyric and don't think it's weird at all, especially given other lines Avey's penned. I think that's such a sweet and succinct line.

I like it as a lyric too, but for some reason I've never been able to shake the mental imagery of a loaf of bread made up of human hearts with gross berries on top. Similar to the imagery of Panda eating Avey at the end of the WCWAR video. It's definitely an interesting line, but I've always found it weird and creepy

[cujo]

coollodges wrote:

BALLSAC wrote:

i always thought everythin on sung tongs was to weird for me even though i like there other albums sung tongs was to weird for me especially the end of who can win a rabbit with the gurgly noises i always thought the gurgly noise were too weird for me it sounds like when you feel really sicky and your stomach hurts like mine did a month ago : P and theres the bubbles that come up in your mouth and taste weird and but sung tongs also has other songs to weird like collage there is no guitar in collage and also THE GURGLY NOISES but i cant believe you r sister thinks lying in grass is the WEIRDEST song they've EVER DONE its simply NOT TRUE they have lots of other songs without guitar and i think you sister doesnt know abtsract art the way WE do as FANS so maybe she shouldnt' do the art or else cause lying in grass is SO NORMAL and your sister is A WHORE who DOESN'T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did you get into my house, how?