Collected Animals

lol claiming that Ark "lacks cohesion" smh

yeah wtf lol literally one of the things i love most about that album is the cohesiveness of it, it's one thing to just not like it, but that's the silliest reason you could come up with

also is this weird of me or does anyone agree, while ark is a better title than here comes the indian and i support the name change, at the same time i don't like 'losing' the abbreviation HCTI cause somehow those four letters together look really cool to me lol i dunno am i nuts. always liked that abbreviation. HCTI > ark > here comes the indian. should have just renamed the album "HCTI"

it has both energetic and less energetic songs! no cohesion!

paste did a ranking of every* ac album:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/ani ... me-skiffs/




*does not include TR and crestone

Danse, HCTI and Campfire Songs all at the bottom? Completely and utterly disregarded.

also is this weird of me or does anyone agree, while ark is a better title than here comes the indian and i support the name change, at the same time i don't like 'losing' the abbreviation HCTI cause somehow those four letters together look really cool to me lol i dunno am i nuts. always liked that abbreviation. HCTI > ark > here comes the indian. should have just renamed the album "HCTI"

I don't call it Ark because Ark to me was and always will be the demo mix of HCTI. I get that the band officially changed the name but when you buy the record from the label or anywhere else, it still says Here Comes The Indian. That's the title of the album for me and always will be.

anyone got the “queen in my pictures” mix with a 4 on the floor beat that Deakin was playing during the small DJ tour they did in like ‘15?

IF SOMEONE DOES LINK ME BABY! That sounds amazing.

What do you guys all unanimously think should have been the bottom three ranked albums?

paste did a ranking of every* ac album:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/ani ... me-skiffs/




*does not include TR and crestone

Lol yeah it makes perfect sense that they didn't include ODDSAC in the ranking, but leaving out Crestone???? Absolutely insane

Fuck I love that they put Time Skiffs EXACTLY in the middle hahahahaha






Also this is the first I've heard that people think Unsolved Mysteries samples All Together Now by the Beatles.

And by that I mean, one guy made a Whosampled entry making that claim and some people are just uncritically accepting that as fact.

fernforested wrote:

anyone got the “queen in my pictures” mix with a 4 on the floor beat that Deakin was playing during the small DJ tour they did in like ‘15?

IF SOMEONE DOES LINK ME BABY! That sounds amazing.

Seriously, that sounds fascinating - i need to hear it.

TetsuoUnderFire wrote:

fernforested wrote:

anyone got the “queen in my pictures” mix with a 4 on the floor beat that Deakin was playing during the small DJ tour they did in like ‘15?

IF SOMEONE DOES LINK ME BABY! That sounds amazing.

Seriously, that sounds fascinating - i need to hear it.

ya is this real? gotta hear that

Not usually into ranking articles like that but this one was a great read. Totally wrong about Ark but otherwise I really enjoyed reading their thoughts.

agree, found the writing on Ark and Danse to be particularly atrocious. though it was shared on a FB group and from what it appears this seems like something a fan wrote on their own time and pitched to Paste, so I'm honestly just more confused why they decided to publish it

maybe because that’s how freelancing works??? i dunno, if i were really enthusiastic about something and saw a good opportunity to get paid to write about it i would probably do so

Fuck I love that they put Time Skiffs EXACTLY in the middle hahahahaha






Also this is the first I've heard that people think Unsolved Mysteries samples All Together Now by the Beatles.

And by that I mean, one guy made a Whosampled entry making that claim and some people are just uncritically accepting that as fact.

I feel attacked

has anyone listened to Rusty Santos' solo stuff from around the time he produced Sung Tongs? just listened to The Heavens for the first time and it's in the same "acoustic with bizarre effects" vein as Tongs, and pretty good too!

reached out to the source directly
https://ibb.co/9NMpGmz

can anyone w production ability make this? it was a soft kinda pulsey kick

kinda hard to reproduce a sound I can't hear lol

Six Bier Passage is actually a fantastic Ark b-side

reached out to the source directly
https://ibb.co/9NMpGmz

damn, thanks for asking!

just had a thought:

b/w 2017 and 2020 AC released 7* EPs if you include solo stuff (Painters, Meeting of Waters, Essence of Eucalyptus, Day w/ the Homies, Land of Sky, Birds in Disguise and then Bridge to Quiet)

That is a wildly diverse group of music. 3 band EPs with the band in totally different modes, solo work thats all pretty different.... all quality imo. And its around when TR and Music Box was happening...Crestone recently too... their ambient side keeps showing back up recently... its all the shit that combined in weird ways and lead to Skiffs buts so all over the place. Best band..

edit: Essence of Eucalyptus!?

Essence of Eucalyptus too

Oh fuck. 7 then. And they're technically all on that one

And New Psycho Actives vol 2!!

omg true

the prolific af years

Hash wrote:

Fuck I love that they put Time Skiffs EXACTLY in the middle hahahahaha






Also this is the first I've heard that people think Unsolved Mysteries samples All Together Now by the Beatles.

And by that I mean, one guy made a Whosampled entry making that claim and some people are just uncritically accepting that as fact.

I feel attacked

Wait, are you the one who posted that whosampled entry? Or you just believed it?


Or Time Skiffs is also in the exact middle of your album ranking?

Sorry unrelated

What do people mean when they say AC/PB songs are dubby? Is it just because they use a lot of delay? I don't know enough about dub to really understand the comparison

@hash, no no just believed aha

Sorry unrelated

What do people mean when they say AC/PB songs are dubby? Is it just because they use a lot of delay? I don't know enough about dub to really understand the comparison

Bruh I barely know. Its the new "dad rock" in terms of what it could mean.

I think it means for people lately, dub-reggae-like bass/drum grooves, but I've only heard a BIT of Lee Perry and King Tubby so I both agree with people but also find myself asking the same question.

A friend called Prester "dubby" and I was like, ya. I think its mostly just that song tho right? Most of it is too fast to be dub. Eh idk.

Some of the reverb too I guess tho yeah

roopn wrote:

Sorry unrelated

What do people mean when they say AC/PB songs are dubby? Is it just because they use a lot of delay? I don't know enough about dub to really understand the comparison

Bruh I barely know. Its the new "dad rock" in terms of what it could mean.

I think it means for people lately, hubby bass/drum grooves, but I've only heard a BIT of Lee Perry and King Tubby so I both agree with people but also find myself asking the same question.

A friend called Prester "dubby" and I was like, ya. I think its mostly just that song tho right? Most of it is too fast to be dub. Eh idk.

Some of the reverb too I guess tho yeah

Spot on saying that Dubby is really a catch all term, imo it's probably just the way people react to that more laid back drumming with a certain bass tone/style. I guess if the drumming isn't bombastic and the bass isn't just playing 8th notes of the root, then it's 'dub' instead of 'rock', lol.

gem and I from blast, especially the jammed out intro, is super dub — the bass guitar and the drums are straight rockers uptown

dub music - stripped emphasis on drums and bass, fat low end, crispy highs, spring/etc reverb and delays creating psychedelic space in the song

dub came from reggae as basically remixed reggae tunes

They don't make dub music though it is a sort of widely misused/sparse enough term. Closest you're gonna get is maybe Tomboy or something. And songs like Taste are sort of dubby too

Watching the live shows (Pitchfork etc) Noah's drumming really comes across as something that'd fit into reggae tracks

Thanks for the answers!

gem and I from blast, especially the jammed out intro, is super dub — the bass guitar and the drums are straight rockers uptown

This one make sense to me.

Tomboy and taste tho? I mean I think I get what that's referring to. But Dub seems to be such a specific mood that AC just doesn't do. Even Prester John seems a stretch. From what I can tell, comparisons to dub appear to be very superficial. On the other hand, the band has frequently cited dub as an influence, so it's also likely I'm just ignorant and still not hearing it

Thanks for the answers!

fernforested wrote:

gem and I from blast, especially the jammed out intro, is super dub — the bass guitar and the drums are straight rockers uptown

This one make sense to me.

Tomboy and taste tho? I mean I think I get what that's referring to. But Dub seems to be such a specific mood that AC just doesn't do. Even Prester John seems a stretch. From what I can tell, comparisons to dub appear to be very superficial. On the other hand, the band has frequently cited dub as an influence, so it's also likely I'm just ignorant and still not hearing it

Taste I can hear a dub influence in with the spacey fat rubbery bassline and the offbeat percussion with the synth line hitting on the upbeat of the measure.

see 2011 pre-chz live taste & bonfire of the vanities for clear dub influence

Good Girl/Carrots second and third sections are massively dubby grooves.

I'm Not is a very dubby groove, albeit sparse.

Slow Motion very dubby.

Laughing Hieroglyphic dubby but more modern dub verging on dubstep.

Taste has very dubby bassline but OG Taste had a more holistically dubby vibe.

Daily Routine was dubbier pre-MPP but the second half is very much ambient dub.

If you listen to some King Tubby, it won't sound like AC but when you listen back to AC, you can hear King Tubby. It's mostly the spaciousness, reverb and grooves.

mercury man uses a king tubby sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZsHkF7w7FY

didn't panda use that in early versions of scheherazade?

^ya its still just barely there.

I thought when people used it they meant that ac was more like approaching sound in a similar way as dub producers but im stein yah point out more literal examples of it

Thanks Stan, those examples help a lot, especially carrots seems so obvious now hahah. Although-

Laughing Hieroglyphic dubby but more modern dub verging on dubstep.

Can you please explain this further

If you listen to some King Tubby, it won't sound like AC but when you listen back to AC, you can hear King Tubby. It's mostly the spaciousness, reverb and grooves.

This makes total sense. I'm clearly not fully gonna get it if I'm not familiar with tubby

Just to add: I think the dub comparisons stem a bit from the dub studio ethos of mixing board as an instrument. A lot of classic dub producers really played their mixer and effects, and really pushed the envelope forward in terms of considering sound design an essential part of a recording and performance. While dub’s mode of expression is undeniably sourced from reggae, I see the dub influence on AC nonetheless in the way the boys treat their sounds in the studio. Even live, I think they often employ a dubby approach to performance. Panda’s live sets where he remixes his own stems is the obvious comparison. Geologist too, in that his primary role in the band is often playing sounds, not instruments. That to me is where the dub comparison makes the most sense.

Also, just to add to the list of very explicit dub moments in their discography: the breakdown on Saturdays where it’s just the bass with vocals and guitar bubbling up is EXTREMELY dubby, down to the fact that I’m pretty sure Avey is literally playing the faders on his Tascam during that section to create those bubbly guitars and vocals.

Dubby is a strange word that seems disconnected from its original meaning... but I think you can tell panda is the most dub inspired by his music possibly, or rather it just shows itself the most. I feel bonfire of the vanities is a good example

as promised

dope, looking forward to it