Collected Animals

Agreed Pete

Is anyone else a part of this Facebook group called animal collective Spirit posting? I've been so fucking disappointed by it the lazy-ass knee jerk hot take responses over there. Literally just a bunch of people calling the album straight up bad because they didn't get what they expected (i.e. grim reaper 2.0, 10,000 layers of samples, etc.). People neeeeeeed to quell their expectations as music CONSUMERS. heartbreaking really that those are the types of reactions Noah will be seeing, especially considering the heart and soul that went into this and how much of a welcome change it seems like for people over here. When I think of Stan's first reaction to the album I glow with happiness

Obviously not everyone's gonna like it but damn. Just lazy takes over there coupled with claims of the band being on a downward spiral. The disrespect!!

Agreed Pete

Is anyone else a part of this Facebook group called animal collective Spirit posting? I've been so fucking disappointed by it the lazy-ass knee jerk hot take responses over there. Literally just a bunch of people calling the album straight up bad because they didn't get what they expected (i.e. grim reaper 2.0, 10,000 layers of samples, etc.). People neeeeeeed to quell their expectations as music CONSUMERS. heartbreaking really that those are the types of reactions Noah will be seeing, especially considering the heart and soul that went into this and how much of a welcome change it seems like for people over here. When I think of Stan's first reaction to the album I glow with happiness

Obviously not everyone's gonna like it but damn. Just lazy takes over there coupled with claims of the band being on a downward spiral. The disrespect!!

this album’s been getting a whole lot of negative response from people who expected just that (the album release thread on a certain private music site is maybe just three pages of straight up bashing) and it sucks! it also doesn’t help that Spiritposting feels like a bunch of teens who are only in it for the meme

there's a different animal for everyone and some might not be for you and some might not be for me. but it's the collective that matters.

Spirit posting is septic sometimes ya

The album reaction outside of this site seems pretty middling/negative

Really surprised by the difference in quality between the freebird and the actual 320. And I'm not even that much of an audiophile. Way more immersive and "widescreen" sounding. This is such a solid album.

there's a different animal for everyone and some might not be for you and some might not be for me. but it's the collective that matters.

Very true, I'm definitely taking it too much to heart I guess it's because I felt like this record was so brave and has so much personality. I love spaghetti western panda

yeah somehow Buoys is my least favorite track on the album when live it was one of my faves. but excited that i like so many of the other tracks that I wasn't expecting to, Cranked espesh.

still, on the whole definitely a lesser album than anything he has made so far, apart from self titled maybe or homies if you count it.

AC and related projects are nearing Neil Young level productivity. The trouble is--like Neil Young--the quality has gone down. I wish sometimes they were like Radiohead--release an album every 5 years that is fantastic. But I think money making in music has changed so much that these guys really need to make work in order to make $. I'm glad their getting paid, and also wish that they had a longer process for making music.

This idea goes against the fact of their insane 2003 to 2009 run--5 amazing albums. But I think at their age back then they were probably able to be in the process with each other all of the time as young people with not a lot of commitments (apart from Panda later on). Now that they live all over the place making music has to be a more scheduled, intentional, chunky event.

And I really miss the development of songs live years before recording--I think that was such a cool part of their creative process.

just some thots.

I'm remembering how hard those low notes on "Bouys" boomed at the live show, and that being one of the most interesting parts of that whole set, but I also think that drop being a bit more sedate on an album cut might work more effectively than having such a dramatic change, but idk.

I wonder if Noah et; al think about how we pretty much run with live boots and consider their live versions as sort of different things than the studio cuts. Like if in their minds "Bouys (live)" is just a completely different song than "Bouys". idk does that make any sense, just something I've been thinking about amidst all the weird demoitis/toxic negativity over at Spiritposting and also the very level and interesting critiques I've read here.

and to that point I wonder what the quintessential bouys boots are. I'd love an essential album tracklist plus extras compliation

RE Spiritposting criticisms: I agree that comments about the band being in a downward spiral and just general pessimism is annoying, but the thing that actually annoys me the most about that group atm are people's reactions to negative posts (obviously I'm biased because I didn't like Buoys).

But I mean people need to grow up and have some maturity. I get that it's inherently annoying when someone is talking smack about something you really dig, but when someone makes a post about their negative impressions it's stupid when people start replying with stuff like "your opinion is wack" or "ooh the hot takes continue". I get that many of the posts don't provide comprehensive justification for their negative opinions but sometimes you really just don't have a reason apart from "eh the melodies are boring" and people need to accept that.

token is so good in the headphones. really blasts off.

if you think about it , they never really got bad right ?

if anything consistenly better , but that's just me 2 cents

Does Domino usually promote albums with YouTube adverts? I don't think I've ever seen a Domino advert, but I was watching Game Grumps and the ad break had Panda Bear's new album.

dude I just got the ad too like woah man im freaking out

RE Spiritposting criticisms: I agree that comments about the band being in a downward spiral and just general pessimism is annoying, but the thing that actually annoys me the most about that group atm are people's reactions to negative posts (obviously I'm biased because I didn't like Buoys).

But I mean people need to grow up and have some maturity. I get that it's inherently annoying when someone is talking smack about something you really dig, but when someone makes a post about their negative impressions it's stupid when people start replying with stuff like "your opinion is wack" or "ooh the hot takes continue". I get that many of the posts don't provide comprehensive justification for their negative opinions but sometimes you really just don't have a reason apart from "eh the melodies are boring" and people need to accept that.

Comon, no one care about negative opinion. It's just that at first people are hyped and happy about it and if you want to post "That record is trash", some might be annoyed. But mostly because it's a jerk move. It's like when you watch a movie with friends all everyone loves it exept one, but that one dude keep telling everyone that the movie is shit.Okay we get it man, but can we enjoy talking about it and how we love it without you coming and talking trash everytime. That is the idea (not talking about you tho)
Also Many people here expressed there dislike of Centiped, grim reaper and hooketing.

Does Domino usually promote albums with YouTube adverts? I don't think I've ever seen a Domino advert, but I was watching Game Grumps and the ad break had Panda Bear's new album.

wasnt the random dolphin teaser video that came out before the album was even announced used as a youtube ad?

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RE Spiritposting criticisms: I agree that comments about the band being in a downward spiral and just general pessimism is annoying, but the thing that actually annoys me the most about that group atm are people's reactions to negative posts (obviously I'm biased because I didn't like Buoys).

But I mean people need to grow up and have some maturity. I get that it's inherently annoying when someone is talking smack about something you really dig, but when someone makes a post about their negative impressions it's stupid when people start replying with stuff like "your opinion is wack" or "ooh the hot takes continue". I get that many of the posts don't provide comprehensive justification for their negative opinions but sometimes you really just don't have a reason apart from "eh the melodies are boring" and people need to accept that.

Comon, no one care about negative opinion. It's just that at first people are hyped and happy about it and if you want to post "That record is trash", some might be annoyed. But mostly because it's a jerk move. It's like when you watch a movie with friends all everyone loves it exept one, but that one dude keep telling everyone that the movie is shit.Okay we get it man, but can we enjoy talking about it and how we love it without you coming and talking trash everytime. That is the idea (not talking about you tho)
Also Many people here expressed there dislike of Centiped, grim reaper and hooketing.

I get what you're saying but I think a large part of the purpose of a page like that is critical discussion. I like hearing why people don't like an album, much like I enjoy hearing why people do like an album that I don't. Maybe making your own post just to say that you hate something is borderline unnecessary, but certainly if you make a comment in an open discussion about everyone's thoughts on the album you shouldn't cop hate.

Not that it matters, but is pitchfork not gonna review this? They didn’t review homies, but I figured it was cuz it was vinyl only?

Yes; it can be complex to discuss any music among the overall Animal Collective groups!!

Somehow more than most artful music, and also certainly sharing many aspects, it both really speaks for itself, and often has many unpredictable interactions with time and experience! It is as much a multidimensional series of locations, as it is recordings that can be played!

I find that discussion does happen really naturally here, we are very lucky that CA still continues!!

Not that it matters, but is pitchfork not gonna review this? They didn’t review homies, but I figured it was cuz it was vinyl only?

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/pa ... he-homies/

I’m sure they’ll get around to it, maybe in a couple months.

Dallou wrote:

BoomCheese wrote:

RE Spiritposting criticisms: I agree that comments about the band being in a downward spiral and just general pessimism is annoying, but the thing that actually annoys me the most about that group atm are people's reactions to negative posts (obviously I'm biased because I didn't like Buoys).

But I mean people need to grow up and have some maturity. I get that it's inherently annoying when someone is talking smack about something you really dig, but when someone makes a post about their negative impressions it's stupid when people start replying with stuff like "your opinion is wack" or "ooh the hot takes continue". I get that many of the posts don't provide comprehensive justification for their negative opinions but sometimes you really just don't have a reason apart from "eh the melodies are boring" and people need to accept that.

Comon, no one care about negative opinion. It's just that at first people are hyped and happy about it and if you want to post "That record is trash", some might be annoyed. But mostly because it's a jerk move. It's like when you watch a movie with friends all everyone loves it exept one, but that one dude keep telling everyone that the movie is shit.Okay we get it man, but can we enjoy talking about it and how we love it without you coming and talking trash everytime. That is the idea (not talking about you tho)
Also Many people here expressed there dislike of Centiped, grim reaper and hooketing.

I get what you're saying but I think a large part of the purpose of a page like that is critical discussion. I like hearing why people don't like an album, much like I enjoy hearing why people do like an album that I don't. Maybe making your own post just to say that you hate something is borderline unnecessary, but certainly if you make a comment in an open discussion about everyone's thoughts on the album you shouldn't cop hate.

Yah I think that's the problem with Spiritposting (and also every other fandom group I'm in on FB); somebody will have a thread running that is like "holy shit this new panda bear record slaps I'm so happy it exists I don't need my lexipro anymore life is good again" and like 19 dickheads will reply and say things like "fuck you it sucks" and "w/e avey is the only talented force in AnCo" and "panda has been lame since he released Down There" and its like, goddamn read the room.

I think also there's a big gap between critical discussion and what goes on there, and I like that we don't (too often) get into that kind of shit here, and that's that 1) its okay to like/not like something by this band and 2) its okay to share your opinion with people who have different opinions because 3) you've shared that opinion in good faith instead of some weirdo edgelord shit about hating a band you're in a facebook group celebrating.

Someday I'll tell my story about jack whtie toxic fandom which is a parable for all people on the internet liking things are the worst people (except us).


What it all boils down to is that a place like CA - which has specific topic oriented threads - does a much better job keeping weird partisan opinions separate and anybody who comes into the BOUY thread to flame it comes correct, because like how dumb would you look clicking all the way thru a thread about a thing you hate just to tell the people talking about it that that thing sucks ass. God bless the mods over at Spiritposting, I'll say that, and I'll say no more.

yoyoyoyoy wrote:

Not that it matters, but is pitchfork not gonna review this? They didn’t review homies, but I figured it was cuz it was vinyl only?

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/pa ... he-homies/

I’m sure they’ll get around to it, maybe in a couple months.

Every day since last Wednesday I have been eagerly awaiting the p4k pan of panda bear's excellent new record. I'm sure they'll flame it, but I'm also -presently- more offended that they haven't cooked up a review at all.

Any guesses on how its going to be? my bet is a 6.2, maybe a high-five, and somewhere in the review it will talk about how BOUYS is an exciting studio experiment that suggests Lennox's next work will be more fully fledged and reflective of this album's rough draft status or some such bullshit. Will nock for being sentimental, will nock for being insular WHILE ALSO suggesting Bear's better works had a more autobiographical feel to it. IDK p4k has been on some fuckboi shit for a few years now I'm not eager to see the review but I'm also super eager to see a review.

My bet is they don’t review it but one of the songs ends up on their top 100 songs of the year

I would add that my P4K review of Bouys is that it is both a sonic look to the future, which is one of Panda Bear's strongest gifts while simultaneously returning to the Bear's precious roots. There is exactly enough Sung Tongs-era tuning strummed on a timid guitar in harmony with weird future computer shit to make Bouys what should be a classic, career defining middle-album: mana for new and old Panda Bear fans, and more to wit: a tease for the long and satisfying second half of a career to come.

Its honest, its tight, its well produced, and Panda's best instrument: his fucking angelic voice gets exquisite attention. I wish it was longer, but I wish that because I am a selfish piece of shit, not because it is too short.

9.3/10

My bet is they don’t review it but one of the songs ends up on their top 100 songs of the year

I like this theory despite that making my blood boil. What song? My money is on "Dolphin"

they are going to review it. It's fucking Panda Bear and this is Pitchfork.

i haven't really read reviews, but I expect many reviewers are going to shit on it because they dont have the patience to give the album the critical attention you need to give it to really crack what it's doing

i think it's really spectacular and i have so few "complaints" that it doesnt seem worth it to me to think about them at all. i'm just enjoying it. cranked fucking rocks

last songs reminds me of Acid Wash, in the spirit. It also sounds big, like an anthem (not as much as the Reaper song but still there is something similar I think)

just as good as any other

incoming 7.7 or 7.8, full point down from Greaper makes sense...

I love dolphin token and cranked. Im sure the rest will grouw on me

My copy came in today and it very strongly smells of caramel. Does anyone else’s vinyl copy smell like that?

Thats funny cuz this album reminded me of Caramel by Conan Mockasin. And the warped lyrics on Inner Monologue remind me of James Blake who just worked with Conan. I wasnt gonna mention any of this but ill take this opportunity to say I lost my copy of Caramel so if anyone sees it let me know

I'm digging Buoys. On first listen I found it a little underwhelming— "that's it?"— but after a few more listens I'm really coming around. To me at least, it really feels like an album that opens up on subsequent plays and reveals more of itself, or just worms its way into your brain. I think my initial disappointment is that I was thinking of it in comparison to Homies, when it's really its own thing; not an album of minimal bangers, but something for quiet sessions. I really, really like how the gentle guitar juxtaposes with the electronics…

Favourite song might be "Inner Monologue"… not sure

here’s my really big issue with random dudes explaining how music criticism works on the internet: what are you doing? Why do you exist? Like I really don’t get it. Things shouldn’t get shat on unless they deserve it (like Car Seat Headrest) and I should be the one who determines what deserves it.

AC and related projects are nearing Neil Young level productivity. The trouble is--like Neil Young--the quality has gone down. I wish sometimes they were like Radiohead--release an album every 5 years that is fantastic. But I think money making in music has changed so much that these guys really need to make work in order to make $. I'm glad their getting paid, and also wish that they had a longer process for making music.

This idea goes against the fact of their insane 2003 to 2009 run--5 amazing albums. But I think at their age back then they were probably able to be in the process with each other all of the time as young people with not a lot of commitments (apart from Panda later on). Now that they live all over the place making music has to be a more scheduled, intentional, chunky event.

And I really miss the development of songs live years before recording--I think that was such a cool part of their creative process.

just some thots.

I couldn't disagree more, I think the last few years have been a really exciting period for the band. After Painting With (and The Painters) I was fully expecting them to settle in and become a pretty good off-kilter pop band, but we've instead seen a huge burst of creativity and experimentation. Sleep Cycle, Meeting of the Waters, Eucalyptus, Tangerine Reef, Homies, Buoys and soon Cows… I really can't get over the wealth of music we're getting from the band these days, it's the most excited I've been to be an AnCo fan since I first got into the band in 2011.

as promised here's my mashup of Buoys and Boys by Charli XCX https://twitter.com/jetski0/status/1095123523461414912

here’s my really big issue with random dudes explaining how music criticism works on the internet: what are you doing? Why do you exist? Like I really don’t get it. Things shouldn’t get shat on unless they deserve it (like Car Seat Headrest) and I should be the one who determines what deserves it.

to clarify: do you mean people who shit on things after singularly determining that those things should be shat upon or do you mean random dudes saying that other random dudes should not singularly determine what does and does not get shat upon?

I think its an important distinction to draw because, in my humble opinion, I think there are enjoyable and productive good faith conversations to be had about music and maybe its pretentious to call that criticism, but if we call it what it is - fans chatting about a band they love/like to varying degrees - it seems all the more ridiculous when people enter into those interactions in bad faith. And I forever will elect myself to call that out as super corny, obnoxious, and lame. But like, I'm not an authority on what needs to be shat upon. The only thing I think that should be shat upon or dudes that pop up for the sole purpose of saying, no you shouldn't like this thing it is lame which is profoundly different than someone popping up and saying oh man I think this thing is lame and here is why.

anyway, maybe you weren't even talking about me and perhaps the chord struck is a point I should reflect on, or maybe you were talking about me and I will reflect on that all the same. idk. I think its cool to talk about music "critically" (i.e. in a way that feels smart but is really thinnly veiled fanning out) on the internet, especially about music I love. Anyway, just trying to understand your comment with hopes that I've not committed some forum faux pass.

as promised here's my mashup of Buoys and Boys by Charli XCX https://twitter.com/jetski0/status/1095123523461414912

Brilliant. Please post full mix

haha here's the full version https://dbr.ee/oyCu
tried uploading to soundcloud but got hit with the copyright notice

Not that it matters, but is pitchfork not gonna review this? They didn’t review homies, but I figured it was cuz it was vinyl only?

in 2019, pitchfork has to get the new ariana grande album review up asap. panda will most likely be up tomorrow.