[dio]

Gool Aid wrote:

i understand why noah/they touch everything up, but i think the point is some of the energy in the trip advisor stuff is just spot on its own way..especially GYEAH into Jabberwocky, that energy is pretty untouchable. will always feel that. the performance aspect of the band has always been bonus/vital to me, grateful for the recordings.

thats why i think its an apples oranges thing honestly comparing demos/live performance with studio. its like these really awesomely spontaneous apples and then these incredible and lovingly labored over state-of-the-art oranges that only grow in pure goldilocks zone soil

im more of an oranges guy myself, but i sure did like those apples a couple summers ago before mr noah ep and everything came out.

[Enn Eye]

Considering this whole album was a metaphysical trip into the the borders of the human condition, layered with Buddhist philosophy contemplating the virtues of non-attachment, you guys sure missed the point.

[cujo]

tulis wrote:

Stanshant wrote:

Sonic, I'm certainly not pointing the finger at you, and I am sorry to come off as or simply be a dick. It's not just related to Noah, it's been a thing with AC for a good while now, but it seems a bit confusing because both the live shows and, in Noah's case, the earliest recordings seem a lot more energetic and abrasive. I find it odd that they start at that kind of energy and then choose to tidy it up into something neater. You certainly don't need to hear it but I'm a massive fan of these last two PB albums and I really appreciate what you've done together. There are some decisions and choices which I don't get though, and as much as I celebrate all the amazing music these guys put out, I think it's also worth discussing the things we don't agree on. I'm certainly not trying to disrespect the work, nor the people behind it. If it reads that way, I'm genuinely sorry about that. It's quite difficult to discuss something you don't like as much without causing some offence, I guess.

Anyway, please don't feel the need to reply, I just wanted to explain where I'm coming from, and why I think it's a reasonable discussion to have.

I 100% believe you aren't trying to be antagonistic or even negative, and that you're truly wondering, and I don't have an answer for their reasoning - but it is what has happened for the past couple of their records, and yes it leaves some fans disappointed... and maybe that's why they're releasing Painting With with no prior live shows with those songs - expectations from live performances vs recorded reality will have some disconnect no matter the band, and if your first taste of a song is the live version, and you sit with that for months, a studio recording is necessarily going to sound foreign and "wrong." Kind of like a cover version of a song - typically will never measure up to the original (or, in this case, the "original" - the live recording). Recognizing this and accepting it helps to appreciate each for what they are, though. But I totally get and appreciate what you're getting at, man. I guess we can be grateful for Sonic's giving us 2 versions of the "original" (live) recordings of these songs - hence "Merry Christmas, Stan."

Just to add a counterpoint, I became a fan and listened to album release versions first and only after did I get into live recordings. And I also persive the live reordings to be more dynamic, challenging, abrasive, and colorful. So I don't think it is for the most part what comes first but rather the contrast between the two disregarding chronology.

[cujo]

bootygoode wrote:

LadsFromOsaka wrote:

the more threads you read at CA, the more people you will absolutely fucking hate

"the measure of a great society is not based on how we agree with each other, but how well we can disagree"

Measure of change in time we are allowed to disagree

[Stanshant]

knives wrote:

Considering this whole album was a metaphysical trip into the the borders of the human condition, layered with Buddhist philosophy contemplating the virtues of non-attachment, you guys sure missed the point.

Thanks, brains. We discussed the Taoist influence on the lyrics when the album was released.

What specifically 'Buddhist' could you give as an example?

When you say 'metaphysical trip into the the (sic) borders of the human condition', could you dumb it down a notch for us and give one single example, so we can understand what you mean by this hollow pseud rhetoric?

Looking forward to letting go of your insights.

[roopn]

Sonic boom wrote:

I mean i know its not ATP or anything .....

what have you people done

[Synusoid]

PANDA BEAR MEETS THE GRIM REAPER IS PERFECT TO ME, IT HAS SERIOUSLY CHANGED MY LIFE. THANK YOU NOAH LENNOX AND SONIC BOOM

i'm serious, thanks; I have nothing to complain about and neither should anyone else

[Enn Eye]

I guess just after digesting this album I feel that Panda really tried to push himself in new directions, and challenge his own creative process – songwriting style and structure, and lyrically too by making everything a little larger than himself.

The criticisms I hear towards PBVSGR rarely relate to the music itself. Its usually the expectations of the listener who feels that Panda hasn’t lived up to his side of the bargain….. Panda or Sonic owe nothing to us or anyone – they are sharing their personal & subjective loves, passions and feelings.

Sometimes when you don’t connect with something, or someone, it may not be the other’s fault, it may be that an individual isn’t ready for that particular interaction, connection or relationship.
I love the passion on this board, and I’m not one to speak in hollow rhetoric.

^I too have deeply felt this album, although I wouldn’t ever expect anyone else to fully agree or understand me or my views. I guess I wish that the experiential and metaphysical ideas (philosophical enquiry into the nature of being), raised through this finely crafted work, would be given a bit more time than simply ‘where’s the bangers?’

[Stanshant]

If all criticism is framed as 'entitlement' or a fault of the listener, or a 'complaint', or as reductio ad absurdiam about 'bangers', there really is no point in any of us being here on a discussion board. We might as well just sign up for the mailing list and be done with it.

I've gone into considerable depth on here about all the things I love about all of their records, including the grand lyrical themes and playfulness and attempts to push beyond the familiar on PBVSGR. Some would no doubt prefer only to read this kind of echo chamber positivity, and yet this is - ironically - in contrast to the Taoist fundamentals Noah lightly touches upon with this record: 'Positive' only exists in contrast.

Preferences are part of our make up, and if you deny one or the other, you reach a nihilism where everything is of equal value and therefore of no value. In reality, both DO exist, inseparably in contrast to each other. "You like it or you don't." "It's inside the one and all." It's important to accept that light and shade exist in everything, "got to like it all." Even in death, we find life, its inseparable companion, one giving meaning to the other, embrace it all and "Laugh into the chasm." That's basically a one-line summary of the entire works of Chuang Tzu!

Tl;dr:

Spoiler: show

Studio Jabba = DEATH

[Enn Eye]

Love it Stan, fantastic, i don't want to be an echo chamber of positivity (amazing) & I've totally listened to your views. I really try to respect all the diversity on this board, and I hear what you wrote in Painting With that you're human.... I think I probably wanted a different dialogue here than what's happening over there. I do know that good criticism is important & needed at times too. Don't stop expressing ya views! Peace!

[Sonic boom]

Stanshant wrote:

If all criticism is framed as 'entitlement' or a fault of the listener, or a 'complaint', or as reductio ad absurdiam about 'bangers', there really is no point in any of us being here on a discussion board. We might as well just sign up for the mailing list and be done with it.

I've gone into considerable depth on here about all the things I love about all of their records, including the grand lyrical themes and playfulness and attempts to push beyond the familiar on PBVSGR. Some would no doubt prefer only to read this kind of echo chamber positivity, and yet this is - ironically - in contrast to the Taoist fundamentals Noah lightly touches upon with this record: 'Positive' only exists in contrast.

Preferences are part of our make up, and if you deny one or the other, you reach a nihilism where everything is of equal value and therefore of no value. In reality, both DO exist, inseparably in contrast to each other. "You like it or you don't." "It's inside the one and all." It's important to accept that light and shade exist in everything, "got to like it all." Even in death, we find life, its inseparable companion, one giving meaning to the other, embrace it all and "Laugh into the chasm." That's basically a one-line summary of the entire works of Chuang Tzu!

Tl;dr:

Spoiler: show

Studio Jabba = DEATH

Merry christmas , Stan .....?

[Stanshant]

Merry Christmas, Petek.

I hope it's been a cracker.

[Sonic boom]

Stanshant wrote:

Merry Christmas, Petek.

I hope it's been a cracker.

Yeah , thank you .
Its bean a nice little santa pause ...

Bouncing around to studio jabba ...
.....watching the winter dissolve into springs...
Goodtimes .....

[Stanshant]

Glad to hear it, hope all's well with you and yours. I've been soundtracking these floods with the Skyrim soundtrack. Enjoy the rest of the rest.

[lucasmoreira]

hey pete, any comments about this side of paradise?
i think is the song that most changed since the first time he played, looks like he was having some difficulty finding the certain lyrics or how to sing them... he even played only as a instrumental once (on the mira festival in spain) and ended up dropping the "ocean, cean, cean.." part. the final version is a complete different beast on his own..

also the thx effect at the end of the concerts was cut from the album for sample problems too or was just something used for the concerts? (i guess thats not exactly a thx sample, i imagine he can create that effect with some electronic instrumental..)

sorry but i have infinite questions album this album!

[Sonic boom]

lucasmoreira wrote:

hey pete, any comments about this side of paradise?
i think is the song that most changed since the first time he played, looks like he was having some difficulty finding the certain lyrics or how to sing them... he even played only as a instrumental once (on the mira festival in spain) and ended up dropping the "ocean, cean, cean.." part. the final version is a complete different beast on his own..

also the thx effect at the end of the concerts was cut from the album for sample problems too or was just something used for the concerts? (i guess thats not exactly a thx sample, i imagine he can create that effect with some electronic instrumental..)

sorry but i have infinite questions album this album!

maybe we'll meet up in the 'gal sometime & you can ply me with mush-catel & i'll ditch the dirt ?
i dont think that one made much sense before he put THAT bass on it......
it might have been sent to its room for a while for misbehaving.....
but once that bass happened it was big bongos all the way & i think he figured the vox out as we worked in the studio. that is a sweet jam......didnt like it so much in its atp incarnation , the vocal & the flute sounded like it had a part that joined them missing .....
Noah always says 'yeah , there are other parts , but i just hear them in my head - maybe we should record those hahaha'

he kills it live on ATP , but it doesnt do it for me like the LP .

jabba studio wasnt gonna exist.......
i pushed for all the tracks to get finished , but i think it would have been an out-take otherwise . it was never an lp contender for whatever reason . glad both versions hit differant spots.

[lucasmoreira]

thanks ptk! anytime you are around porto let me know and i pay you some pasteis de nata
how was your residency in braga?

i also think is not fair to compare live performances with elaborate studio work, mixing, mastering.. i imagine is a different world. and we have the chance this time to have the album and the rehearsals, is all sweet and good

[Cussing Bum]

peTeK, do you know if the coat-wearer watches a lot of movies? He's always sampling really good movies or referencing them in lyrics. We seem to have the same taste in films. Did you ever have to yank the remote out of his hand to record?

[joby]

Stanshant wrote:

Some would no doubt prefer only to read this kind of echo chamber positivity, and yet this is - ironically - in contrast to the Taoist fundamentals Noah lightly touches upon with this record: 'Positive' only exists in contrast.

Preferences are part of our make up, and if you deny one or the other, you reach a nihilism where everything is of equal value and therefore of no value. In reality, both DO exist, inseparably in contrast to each other. "You like it or you don't." "It's inside the one and all." It's important to accept that light and shade exist in everything, "got to like it all." Even in death, we find life, its inseparable companion, one giving meaning to the other, embrace it all and "Laugh into the chasm." That's basically a one-line summary of the entire works of Chuang Tzu!

Tl;dr:

Spoiler: show

Studio Jabba = DEATH

It seems to me that you are misreading the chuang tzu (uh oh). Preferences are not a part of our make up, preferences are learned and created by man... The "true man" of the chuang tzu has moved beyond their preferences and unlearned them. Also everything is of equal value and therefore everything has no value and ALL the value at once... That's not nihilism.... That's like.... Taoism? Also I don't think there is such a thing as a one line summary of the entire works of chuang tzu, that's a little arrogant... Though if I were to try one maybe it would be "you certainly have a lot of underbrush still in your head" --chuang tzu.

Peace and love and all that.

[Sonic boom]

Hiff Cluxtable wrote:

peTeK, do you know if the coat-wearer watches a lot of movies? He's always sampling really good movies or referencing them in lyrics. We seem to have the same taste in films. Did you ever have to yank the remote out of his hand to record?

nope , never had to yank ....

his things ?
musick . basketball . baseball . football . video games & yep , films . ...

i'm not a big fan of hollywood films much - certainly not the last few decades , so its all just jibber to me , but Danny & him get super into the film thing ......
the films i like are often older & sometimes black & white .... its kind of a gen gap thing ....
ditto , i never really dug computer games much .
probly my loss ......

[thebackdrifter]

Oh man these ATP rehearsal tracks are so awesome! I love how much all of the tracks have mutated and grown up since the first little snippits we got with the Panda Bear Cent Hz radio mix. I love bouncing around and listening to each version and finding new little secrets within each version.

Eternal thanks Mr.Boom and Happy New Year!

[joby]

Yeah I gotta say listening to the trip advisor (loooool) stuff I'm going back to the album and hearing/appreciating things I didn't before. Really coming alive.

[dio]

thats amazing that you pushed hard for tracks like jabba to be recorded/released SB. yr fucking saving my life over here... crosswords ep came out the day i moved to the big city in august and got me thru that whole transition... with lisbon now it honestly feels like a little mini album, moreso than mr noah even maybe. NML takes the cake for me tho... that beat makes me fucking giddy. seriously sounds like what its like to be excited to me

anyway, ill b over here blissing out to jabba 4evr..

[Stanshant]

joby wrote:

Stanshant wrote:

Some would no doubt prefer only to read this kind of echo chamber positivity, and yet this is - ironically - in contrast to the Taoist fundamentals Noah lightly touches upon with this record: 'Positive' only exists in contrast.

Preferences are part of our make up, and if you deny one or the other, you reach a nihilism where everything is of equal value and therefore of no value. In reality, both DO exist, inseparably in contrast to each other. "You like it or you don't." "It's inside the one and all." It's important to accept that light and shade exist in everything, "got to like it all." Even in death, we find life, its inseparable companion, one giving meaning to the other, embrace it all and "Laugh into the chasm." That's basically a one-line summary of the entire works of Chuang Tzu!

Tl;dr:

Spoiler: show

Studio Jabba = DEATH

It seems to me that you are misreading the chuang tzu (uh oh). Preferences are not a part of our make up, preferences are learned and created by man... The "true man" of the chuang tzu has moved beyond their preferences and unlearned them. Also everything is of equal value and therefore everything has no value and ALL the value at once... That's not nihilism.... That's like.... Taoism? Also I don't think there is such a thing as a one line summary of the entire works of chuang tzu, that's a little arrogant... Though if I were to try one maybe it would be "you certainly have a lot of underbrush still in your head" --chuang tzu.

Peace and love and all that.

Thanks for this post.

You're absolutely right, the zhen ren has moved beyond preferences, but they do still exist among us laymen, bound by passions and desires and resistance (studio Jabba!). And on that note, you can't have my preferences without yours. If you try to shut down the perceived 'negative', the 'positive' doesn't exist. That's fundamental to Taoism, it's the essence of yin yang, and I think some of the lyrics of this album lightly touch on that same point. Also, I know I couldn't possibly summarise Chuang Tzu in one phrase, but 'laugh into the chasm' is very much in the spirit!

Nevertheless, it was lame of me to invoke Chuang Tzu and Noah Lennox to justify my criticism of some creative decisions. So, thanks for giving me something to think about and I accept that I was interpreting some lyrics and philosophy to fit the point I wanted to make.

[joby]

Stanshant wrote:

Thanks for this post.

You're absolutely right, the zhen ren has moved beyond preferences, but they do still exist among us laymen, bound by passions and desires and resistance (studio Jabba!). And on that note, you can't have my preferences without yours. If you try to shut down the perceived 'negative', the 'positive' doesn't exist. That's fundamental to Taoism, it's the essence of yin yang, and I think some of the lyrics of this album lightly touch on that same point. Also, I know I couldn't possibly summarise Chuang Tzu in one phrase, but 'laugh into the chasm' is very much in the spirit!

Nevertheless, it was lame of me to invoke Chuang Tzu and Noah Lennox to justify my criticism of some creative decisions. So, thanks for giving me something to think about and I accept that I was interpreting some lyrics and philosophy to fit the point I wanted to make.

always nice to talk with a fellow reader of the chuang tzu. no hard feelings... i've got a lot of the underbrush myself (duhhhhh)

Hey, merry christmas stan

[weirdradio]

Randomly ended up making my own Panera Bread vs Grim Reaper playlist. The segue from CTYS to Jabba feelz rrrrrrrrreal nice, as does the pairing of TOC with Preakness, takin it to Church

Mr Noah (album mix-not sure if the EP was different)
Faces In The Crowd
Davy Jones Locker
Crosswords (album mix)
Butcher Baker Candlestick Maker
No Man's Land
Come To Your Senses
Jabberwocky
Tropic of Cancer
The Preakness
Shadow of the Colossus
Lonely Wanderer
This Side Of Paradise
Selfish Gene

Bah I just realized I don't have OG Faces yet and that would def be in there somewhere, most likely before Jabba, but the CTYS in it's place is oh so G funk vibey

[crash_mosaic]

PBVSGR (Alternate Tracklist)

1. Tropic of Cancer
2. Lonely Wanderer
3. Jabberwocky
4. Príncipe Real
5. Faces in the Crowd
6. Mr. Noah
7. Come to Your Senses
8. Crosswords
9. Butcher Baker Candlestick Maker
10. Selfish Gene
11. Sequential Circuits
12. Boys Latin

[Enn Eye]

Spun a little greap r tonight, happy new year 2015 was the epic year of panda THANK YOU NOAH

[Natalidae]

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[He Man]

Hola guise - the link has been removed from the site. Am I too late? Did I sleep through pete's santa gifting? If someone has a copy of the upload, please PM me

[Mayweed Mas]

He Man wrote:

Hola guise - the link has been removed from the site. Am I too late? Did I sleep through pete's santa gifting? If someone has a copy of the upload, please crunchitize me

I'm also sad that I missed the active link.

[dervish]

add me to the list of missing links

can anyone share please?

[Frumpkin]

i'm assuming this is kosher cause they were originally shared in this thread, rather than pee-ems. re-upped for those who missed em.

ATP - Take 1 (released december 2015)

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http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/6pNeGjgU/file.html

ATP - Take 6 (released july 2015)

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http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/cRchzyGF/file.html

[albion moonlight]

i also missed out on the link. please share, i am oh so thirsty.

edit.
thanks!

[Mayweed Mas]

Frumpkin wrote:

i'm assuming this is kosher cause they were originally shared in this thread, rather than pee-ems. re-upped for those who missed em.

ATP - Take 1

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http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/6pNeGjgU/file.html

ATP - Take 6

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http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/cRchzyGF/file.html

Thanks so much, I'll download when I'm home from work today. Take 1 is what was just released, and Take 6 was what was available a few months before the album release, right?

[jetski]

Mayweed Mas wrote:

Take 1 is what was just released, and Take 6 was what was available a few months before the album release, right?

Take 1 was just released, but Take 6 was released in July of this year after the album was released

[Frumpkin]

Victor's got it - edited the post to clarify.

[Mayweed Mas]

Victor Borge wrote:

Mayweed Mas wrote:

Take 1 is what was just released, and Take 6 was what was available a few months before the album release, right?

Take 1 was just released, but Take 6 was released in July of this year after the album was released

Oh, gotcha. Why were people calling Take 6 ATP? I think I'm thinking of the ATP bootleg that was out a few months before the album.

[Frumpkin]

I believe they're rehearsals for the ATP set.

[dervish]

thank you so much!

really appreciate it