Collected Animals

What a ride indeed. 2013-2015. So much Reaper before final Reaper. I mean, Holy Santa that ATP original boot made my work lunch breaks meaningful. WHAT A RIDE. Thank you thank you.

love sheherezade... also dig how the tubby sample in that as well as the satie one both show up in Chz jams (in mercury man and live pulleys space out jam respectively)... it like ties the tomboy songs to chz in a weird way

damn just realized they totally shoulda played laughing hieroglyphic on chz tour... fits well with stuff like mercury and crimson omg... off topic tho my b, bak to pb

This version of Crosswords makes it sound even MORE like a dark incantation made over a coffee mug full off kool-aid than it did before.

But wait ... Miosotis is part of the scientific name of the forget-me-not, right? Sweet name.

A Google search oddly produces a lot of porn results. Lol

Pretty sure Pete said Miosotos Garage was CW's studio in Lisbon

Ps
Thinking about the Scherezade thing....
Not ignoring you !

Much love <3

it think the moisotos garage was his old practice space and literally a garage but he's moved to another house since then? idk

think you're right- I think panda gives a tour of it on meting the greaper

Did the tour have the longer intro?

cosplay was the only song i felt like i didnt get but this latest demo.. i think i get it.. maybe im just a lil drunk

woah the vox are really dry on Tropic on the earliest rehearsal

weirdly refreshing

Yo , Yo !

On "yr so coooll.. ". ??
Hmmm.... I really dont know ......
My guess ??
...... I feel that song is Noah singing about himself and elements of his charachter that exist , but in a very tongue in cheek way . The ' your so cool ' - i dont think he ever recorded that line ....
I'd have to go and check thru .....
My memory is a strange thing , but i feel that the first time i saw that was in the lyrics he gave me...
My guess is he didn't want people not to get the irony ??




Scherezade - i didnt think the tubby & the satie fitted together as well as it worked without it . The sample itself is cool , but it kinda stomps where the satie dances .
The brief was also to change stuff out ( though there were only usually 3 or 4 elements and vox ) and do LP mixes of what had been a bunch of single releases . Ofcourse , in general the single mixes were already great & it seemed a vainglorious mission to overly change what were essentially pretty perfect already ...i did some stuff to up the bass definition , but i tried to keep the same vibe as he'd created .

Where i could without damage , i tried to max the vibe out & that seemed a good way .
The reductive thing usually works out where you can hear just the juice in those types if songs.
Lets the focus be on the lyric more .


I have no idea why the title - its phonetically magical tho ? Sounds like a spell being whispered ?
Or a verbal talisman ?
but pretty sure the way you feel about it , and the oldest story ever told vibes would have Mr Noah ( and for sure has I ) ringing the air bullseye ..... Hope its goo times . All points . Xpk

That's pretty interesting to me because both Tomboy and Greaper seemed to have their origins in a more Person Pitch mix, based on the Noah Tomboy mixes and the ATP rehearsals, vocals lower in the mix, more textures and scratchy sounds, a little more chaotic and abrasive, which makes me wonder why the brief was then to tidy them up, reduce them to the core elements and bring the vocals to the fore.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here at all, I just don't understand why he wouldn't attempt such a thing in the first instance, if that's what he's looking for in the end result. To me, burying the sample, calming down the breaks and lifting the vocal in something like This Side Of Paradise basically results in something quite polite, where it originally seemed quite weird and playful and heavier in the groove. I feel very similar about Jabberwocky, and I've tried to listen to it for what it is but, yeah, polite is probably the word. I'm genuinely very interested in the thought processes behind that kind of decision. I doubt it's in the interests of commercialism so why tone it down and dial it back and so on. I'd ask similar of MPP, to be honest. Brother Sport is this multi limbed ecstatic behemoth live and sounds improved on record.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here at all, I just don't understand why he wouldn't attempt such a thing in the first instance, if that's what he's looking for in the end result. To me, burying the sample, calming down the breaks and lifting the vocal in something like This Side Of Paradise basically results in something quite polite, where it originally seemed quite weird and playful and heavier in the groove. I feel very similar about Jabberwocky, and I've tried to listen to it for what it is but, yeah, polite is probably the word. I'm genuinely very interested in the thought processes behind that kind of decision. I doubt it's in the interests of commercialism so why tone it down and dial it back and so on. I'd ask similar of MPP, to be honest. Brother Sport is this multi limbed ecstatic behemoth live and sounds improved on record.

this happening so consistently is exactly why i stopped going out of my way to follow AC's releases, "polite" is the perfect word for what turned me off so much. instead of getting the feeling that im witnessing a happening i feel more like im opening a package. you described it well

merry christmas stan .......

Thanks for the info sonic! I have the 4LP box of tomboy and I was wondering why scheherazade was the only really massively different song in the single mixes. I really love both versions but I agree in the single mix the sample sort of smooshes over everything going on behind it

merry christmas stan .......

Hahahahahahaha

Sonic, I'm certainly not pointing the finger at you, and I am sorry to come off as or simply be a dick. It's not just related to Noah, it's been a thing with AC for a good while now, but it seems a bit confusing because both the live shows and, in Noah's case, the earliest recordings seem a lot more energetic and abrasive. I find it odd that they start at that kind of energy and then choose to tidy it up into something neater. You certainly don't need to hear it but I'm a massive fan of these last two PB albums and I really appreciate what you've done together. There are some decisions and choices which I don't get though, and as much as I celebrate all the amazing music these guys put out, I think it's also worth discussing the things we don't agree on. I'm certainly not trying to disrespect the work, nor the people behind it. If it reads that way, I'm genuinely sorry about that. It's quite difficult to discuss something you don't like as much without causing some offence, I guess.

Anyway, please don't feel the need to reply, I just wanted to explain where I'm coming from, and why I think it's a reasonable discussion to have.

And further, why didn't Noah and Avey just release the minidisc recording of Who Could Win a Rabbit that's on Crack Box? Why tidy it up and water it down with audible vocals, clear melodies, and other computer tricks?

Sonic, I'm certainly not pointing the finger at you, and I am sorry to come off as or simply be a dick. It's not just related to Noah, it's been a thing with AC for a good while now, but it seems a bit confusing because both the live shows and, in Noah's case, the earliest recordings seem a lot more energetic and abrasive. I find it odd that they start at that kind of energy and then choose to tidy it up into something neater. You certainly don't need to hear it but I'm a massive fan of these last two PB albums and I really appreciate what you've done together. There are some decisions and choices which I don't get though, and as much as I celebrate all the amazing music these guys put out, I think it's also worth discussing the things we don't agree on. I'm certainly not trying to disrespect the work, nor the people behind it. If it reads that way, I'm genuinely sorry about that. It's quite difficult to discuss something you don't like as much without causing some offence, I guess.

Anyway, please don't feel the need to reply, I just wanted to explain where I'm coming from, and why I think it's a reasonable discussion to have.

I 100% believe you aren't trying to be antagonistic or even negative, and that you're truly wondering, and I don't have an answer for their reasoning - but it is what has happened for the past couple of their records, and yes it leaves some fans disappointed... and maybe that's why they're releasing Painting With with no prior live shows with those songs - expectations from live performances vs recorded reality will have some disconnect no matter the band, and if your first taste of a song is the live version, and you sit with that for months, a studio recording is necessarily going to sound foreign and "wrong." Kind of like a cover version of a song - typically will never measure up to the original (or, in this case, the "original" - the live recording). Recognizing this and accepting it helps to appreciate each for what they are, though. But I totally get and appreciate what you're getting at, man. I guess we can be grateful for Sonic's giving us 2 versions of the "original" (live) recordings of these songs - hence "Merry Christmas, Stan."

Stan, I agree with you pretty much word for word.

My theory on the 'politeness' or 'over cleanliness' that appears on their more recent studio albums compared to the earlier, messier versions, is similar to a rough draft/final draft scenario. In making a painting, the artist will often start by making a sketch with rough lines, unclean shadows, and abstract backgrounds, with the intention to elaborate on the whole composition on the next drafts which will eventually lead to the final. But what can often happen with the initial sketch is that the immediateness and the effortlessness of just getting the ideas down can be very attractive to outside viewers. And even if the artist is told often how wonderful and perfect the first draft, in their mind this is only the first shot and things will be cleaned up and elaborated upon with the mindset that with practice makes perfect. It's difficult to be a creator while showing the work off in progress, since they will inevitably have to decide whether to listen to outside influences and stop sooner than later or go with your gut and continue with the piece until it reaches a more refined version.

That's the 'demotitis' syndrome AC has recently talked about. People get attached to the early, messier versions, but the band always plans to work on things more which to them means making the songs shorter, and cleaner. And i think they know the fans have access to these early versions, so they may feel that is enough to honor the first drafts.

In the end it's pretty fucking simple. Noah never planned to release any songs sounding like they did in the ATP rehearsal, that's just the point that he was able to develop them to at that time. They were recorded so he could work from there, and show sonic what he's got so far.

AKA

that's a demo

Just because it's the first thing you make, doesn't mean it matches up with what you have in your head as the final product

I'm definitely one of the worst for demoitis, I know I am, and I really appreciate that there will be no boots this time around. My favourite AC records are the ones I heard before I was listening to boots, i.e. everything pre-SJ. I was disappointed by MPP despite thinking it's stunning because the boots absolutely changed my life, no bullshit. I used to listen to a hell of a lot of music but as much as I loved various things, when they clicked I'd never felt like that, and I still feel that way, I can hardly put it into words.

I suppose, as Hiff said above in a jokey way, they've always been more intense and loose and emotive live, which is why the Sung Tongs boots are probably my favourite music ever. Roopn, I also get your point that these early versions are rather for the band than for the listener, though I think the Tomboy single mixes are an example of a recorded version which becomes something else. I suppose my real question is 'why do they choose to record something which swaps much of that energy and emotion for tidiness and precision?' I would actually love to ask them that question, and whether it's conscious or if they even agree with that assessment.

I am very grateful for all the insights and music that's been shared in the Tomboy and Greaper eras, I really am, but I think once you get to the point where that gratefulness shuts down anything but praise then I think you're in pretty sterile territory.

the more threads you read at CA, the more people you will absolutely fucking hate

mmmm loving that positive energy dude

I can't hate on anything that promotes thoughtful discussion.

I'm glad we have both (I just jammed my new Crack Box today!), but I prefer the studio versions in almost every way. I don't agree that there's a loss of energy or emotional intensity AT ALL. Rough edges, sure. And I get the appreciation for those. But I like the finished versions much more. And I think the band does too.

To that point, I really like the samples that Noah uses live, and it sometimes bums me out that he can't always record them that way because of $$$. But that's more my desire for what I perceive to be his true intentions, which we should never assume we know.

the more threads you read at CA, the more people you will absolutely fucking hate

Looking forward to your next riveting crow update, mate.

Let's all be happy, folks!

in other news, this album is still amazing, and speaking of tomboy has me putting on sheherezade and benfica... perfect for the season... so delicious. butcher baker candlestick maker and benfica are kiiiinda xmas songs.

could anyone point me to where i can listen to the single version of scheherezade? i've only ever heard the album version, and i'm now very intrigued

the more threads you read at CA, the more people you will absolutely fucking hate

"the measure of a great society is not based on how we agree with each other, but how well we can disagree"

LadsFromOsaka wrote:

the more threads you read at CA, the more people you will absolutely fucking hate

"the measure of a great society is not based on how we agree with each other, but how well we can disagree"

yep. don't understand why someone would hate stan for his reasonably-voiced opinion.

When I first got an account, I read through the entire Centipede Hz thread. That gave me the wrong idea about stan.

He's a cool guy

I get Stan's statements, and I respect them.

I think those kind of things like 'demoitis' happen to a lot of people all the time:

Kevin Shields Interview
Is it frustrating for you to hear music on a low-quality format?
"Oh no, I get into the sound. For example, when I'm listening to stuff on the computer or through a horrible little speaker on my phone, and then I hear the real version with the bass and everything, I sometimes don’t like it as much."

That happens to me as well, I really love the Come to Your Senses lo-fi version live at LUX

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... SgpknVM-1Q[/youtube]

That noise makes sense to me and I love it, but I know I'm not getting the whole thing. I think that's the demoitis. Even now that we have the ATP Rehearsals Vol 6 & 1, btw, Thanks, PeteK, I still listen to the ATP bootleg, I love it a whole lot and it doesn't have half the quality that the Rehearsals do, but the lo-fi element is something I get into. I enjoy lo-fi as much as I enjoy Hi-Fi, tbh.

Kevin Shields Interview Source:
http://pitchfork.com/features/interview ... n-shields/

This article is entertaining as well
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/902-learn ... bit-rates/

holy cow, I'm listening to the greaper really loud on my headphones and listening properly for the first time in a while (usually I listen to music while gaming or on skype so I'm distracted) and wow the detail really is astounding. Love how the kick in Mr Noah sort of wheezes out like it's powered by bellows. The shaker in crosswords is really nice too. BBCM has that heavy fucking heartbet thump with the crumpling foil noises and the electric "you're dead" videogame noises in it. Is that a little maraca in Boys Latin I hear?

holy cow, I'm listening to the greaper really loud on my headphones and listening properly for the first time in a while (usually I listen to music while gaming or on skype so I'm distracted) and wow the detail really is astounding. Love how the kick in Mr Noah sort of wheezes out like it's powered by bellows. The shaker in crosswords is really nice too. BBCM has that heavy fucking heartbet thump with the crumpling foil noises and the electric "you're dead" videogame noises in it. Is that a little maraca in Boys Latin I hear?

Yeah . I took dozens of percussion bits to lisboa for the sessions .
Theres percussion on most of the tracks somewhere in the mix .
We spent a lot of time detailing everything as best we could .
....Ghosts , carriages , trains .....
I mean i know its not ATP or anything .... but i think you'll find little surprizes under differant moods & inluences if your inclined to go explore a little .
- and for sure it should sound best loud thru speakers ....

i understand why noah/they touch everything up, but i think the point is some of the energy in the trip advisor stuff is just spot on its own way..especially GYEAH into Jabberwocky, that energy is pretty untouchable. will always feel that. the performance aspect of the band has always been bonus/vital to me, grateful for the recordings.

merry christmas stan .......

I been a lurker for a while here. finally on the books.

petek is the man. holdin' this thang together. minds me of this sick david ireland sculpture "collection of brooms with boom" lol



don't remove the boom.....