[roopn]

Ya foxtrot love that idea

[toad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iQMf76LWSE

been thinking about this live remember mayan intro jam a ton lately ... is it an avey song that showed up on some record? i don't know his solo discog 2 well ...

[Jam]

I don’t think so but there’s an official boot of it on the K.C. Yours EP

[foxtrot]

Jam wrote:

I don’t think so but there’s an official boot of it on the K.C. Yours EP

haven't listened to this in ages. have to revisit. can't even remember what this intro/song is.

[foxtrot]

I really wish MoTW was a full length album. Imagine having something in official album canon that was 50 mins or so of Avey/Geo jamming under 3 million year old trees in the Amazon.

I bloody love MoTW and just wish it went longer.

[Fovrodi]

[yoko bono]

Mirando remix is one of the best things they've ever done

[corrie]

was just reading a review of danse manatee on pop matters where they said this:

'At a Chicago concert earlier this year to promote 2003’s Indian, two of the group’s four put on an exhausting set and a dizzying, dramatic performance. Lost in the act of music creation, the pair (which two is unknown) used their voices as chanting instruments accompanied by a single beat drum. The show was an exercise in tribal expression where wild gestures and circles dances were a part of the intensity, made more theatrical by the presence of red lights beaming on to the stage'

anyone have any idea what show this might be referring to? gut instinct is it might be an early sung tongs show but from the description i'm not 100% sure... might be material we've never heard

if anyone has any insight would appreciate it

[Spagett]

I don't know what specific Chicago concert this review is referring to but I was bored and did a little bit of websleuthing. I looked on setlist.fm and they played Chicago twice in 2003:

August 3 at the Empty Bottle and then August 22 at Logan Square Auditorium. The pop matters review went up November of that year, so could be either of these.

Unfortunately I couldn't find a set list for either of these shows. However, the shows closest chronologically to those dates where I could find recorded setlists for them (in July and October of 03, so the Chicago dates would be right in the middle) they are playing pretty exclusively Sung Tongs stuff, so you take that, plus the fact they are describing the show being by only 2 of the boys, I think your gut instinct is correct.

[corrie]

yeah sounds about right, it's just the way they describe it as being just chants and a single drum, like we tigers/baby day fit well but makes me wonder what other stuff they played in that style, no mention of a guitar... i guess tuvin as well which seemed to be a staple around then, sounded really interesting to me like halfway between hcti and sung tongs is a very interesting space to occupy sonically

[corrie]

like are there any other sung tongs era shows where they just forgo guitars entirely?

[corrie]

sorry to make 3 posts in a row on the same topic but it got me wondering, are there any unreleased songs that we have confirmed records of them playing but we have no actual recordings of them playing or are we purely specullating in that realm,i'm thinking 2000-2004 would be where these would exist but do we have any confirmed? I am trying very hard to not listen to SC too much and diving into old boots is keeping me going right now

[Fovrodi]

Not songs exactly but Rob Carmichael mentioned the show below in an AMA

Rob Carmichael: my favorite early moment was when they played this movie theater in the East Village in 2001 (2002?) with Gang Gang Dance and Blue Pot Green Pot (I think) . At this point they made up new song s for almost every show but they had just gotten back fro a tour or something and didn't have time. So they projected film that they shot on the road and the four of them played a 45 minute set using just one chord the whole time. It was glorious and strange and droney and I wish that it had been recorded. I desperately want to put it on the Animal Crack Box but no recordings seem to exist.

Gang Gang Dance did an AMA where they confirmed they have boots/recordings they did with Avey and Deakin way back. Hopefully it'll see the light of day

[corrie]

Fovrodi wrote:

Not songs exactly but Rob Carmichael mentioned the show below in an AMA

Rob Carmichael: my favorite early moment was when they played this movie theater in the East Village in 2001 (2002?) with Gang Gang Dance and Blue Pot Green Pot (I think) . At this point they made up new song s for almost every show but they had just gotten back fro a tour or something and didn't have time. So they projected film that they shot on the road and the four of them played a 45 minute set using just one chord the whole time. It was glorious and strange and droney and I wish that it had been recorded. I desperately want to put it on the Animal Crack Box but no recordings seem to exist.

Gang Gang Dance did an AMA where they confirmed they have boots/recordings they did with Avey and Deakin way back. Hopefully it'll see the light of day

could see this kind of thing seeing the light of day one day, seems like recently they are thinking more about their legacy (sung tongs tour, spirit reissue) and are thinking more about their legacy, especially the spirit EP of unreleased stuff seems like stuff they thought about in the past being not worth releasing actually being valuable, especially to obsessive fans like us... i could definitely see a few early shows being released just on bandcamp or something...they really have nothing to lose because we are the only people who will actually care about something like that (to be brutally honest)

like, danse manatee is panned enough as it is they don't need to further advertise that fact, but properly recorded 2001-2002 bootegs would be like kryptonite to us maniacs

[onn]

corrie wrote:

was just reading a review of danse manatee on pop matters where they said this:

'At a Chicago concert earlier this year to promote 2003’s Indian, two of the group’s four put on an exhausting set and a dizzying, dramatic performance. Lost in the act of music creation, the pair (which two is unknown) used their voices as chanting instruments accompanied by a single beat drum. The show was an exercise in tribal expression where wild gestures and circles dances were a part of the intensity, made more theatrical by the presence of red lights beaming on to the stage'

anyone have any idea what show this might be referring to? gut instinct is it might be an early sung tongs show but from the description i'm not 100% sure... might be material we've never heard

if anyone has any insight would appreciate it

The phrase "2003's Indian" makes it sound like it was a later show than 2003, but it was definitely more matching what they were doing in 2003. They were definitely using red light during the pre-ST stuff too you can see it in videos. I'm sure that description does refer to Tigers. The early 2004 shows definitely have a "dizzying" quality but it doesn't sound like the kind of show where they would have been getting up and doing circle dances. In this case I think that review *is* referring to just the one main song where they got off their guitars, Tigers.

Almost certainly it was the same kind of show as this one:
https://youtu.be/R5-ovtyXp9A?t=484

[foxtrot]

Yeh, my guess is this:

"Lost in the act of music creation, the pair (which two is unknown) used their voices as chanting instruments accompanied by a single beat drum."

is almost certainly the writer referring to one part of the show (we tigers).

And the rest:

"At a Chicago concert earlier this year to promote 2003’s Indian, two of the group’s four put on an exhausting set and a dizzying, dramatic performance...(insert prior quote)...The show was an exercise in tribal expression where wild gestures and circles dances were a part of the intensity, made more theatrical by the presence of red lights beaming on to the stage."

Is probably more broadly discussing the whole performance.

[tdegenaro]

foxtrot wrote:

I really wish MoTW was a full length album. Imagine having something in official album canon that was 50 mins or so of Avey/Geo jamming under 3 million year old trees in the Amazon.

I bloody love MoTW and just wish it went longer.

just want to boost this point, such a (seemingly?) underrated EP, would love 30-50 more minutes of them on this vibe.

[foxtrot]

tdegenaro wrote:

foxtrot wrote:

I really wish MoTW was a full length album. Imagine having something in official album canon that was 50 mins or so of Avey/Geo jamming under 3 million year old trees in the Amazon.

I bloody love MoTW and just wish it went longer.

just want to boost this point, such a (seemingly?) underrated EP, would love 30-50 more minutes of them on this vibe.

I love Eucalyptus and wouldn't want anything taken away from it but I sometimes imagine if Avey had used just a few of those songs from the same era that feel like they fit the MoTW vibe and fleshed things out to a full album?

Imagine a 'Meeting Of The Eucalyptus Waters' LP with a track list something like this:

Blue Noses
Man Of Oil
Season High
Melody Unfair
Amazonawana/Anaconda
Coral Lords
Selection Of A Place (Rio Negro)

7 tracks, 51 minutes.

[Fovrodi]

You're making me very pissed off dude

[foxtrot]

Because you wish this was a thing?!

[headroom)))]

foxtrot wrote:

I really wish MoTW was a full length album. Imagine having something in official album canon that was 50 mins or so of Avey/Geo jamming under 3 million year old trees in the Amazon.

I bloody love MoTW and just wish it went longer.

Yes! Great release. Lots of incredible sound design pieces on there. The Brazilian indigenous vocals leading into Man of Oil is a super beautiful moment. He kept that sample looping when he played it live in 2017 and I remember a lot of people getting psyched on it. Also, that documentary series about the release was great to watch. Makes me wonder how many other animal sounds are on AC releases. Gues that's "on brand" 1000%, haha.

[blindmowing]

i like the length of Meeting of the Waters, and though your tracklist is super compelling, foxtrot, i love the length and breath of Eucalyptus, and think i prefer those songs staying on the solo Avey project...but it's a really fun thought experiment.

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how many hours do you guys think you spend per year listening to AC bootlegs? the past few years i've been pretty obsessed with digging deep into the bootleg catalog... probably listening to 50 hours worth (30-40) boots per year at this rate... not sure if that's high, low, or pretty on brand for fellow CAers

[foxtrot]

blindmowing wrote:

i like the length of Meeting of the Waters, and though your tracklist is super compelling, foxtrot, i love the length and breath of Eucalyptus, and think i prefer those songs staying on the solo Avey project...but it's a really fun thought experiment.

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how many hours do you guys think you spend per year listening to AC bootlegs? the past few years i've been pretty obsessed with digging deep into the bootleg catalog... probably listening to 50 hours worth (30-40) boots per year at this rate... not sure if that's high, low, or pretty on brand for fellow CAers

I listened to that track list today and it was soooo good. Agree that I wouldn’t want Eucalyptus to suffer though.

I’m nowhere near that number of boots. I probably was between 2005-2011 though!

[destiny]

Man i'm listening to that video of Mayan and 2019 avey shows were so good. So underrated really. Such a great sound live and it's just such a great lineup, Deakin and avey chopping it up and J hyman on drums, he's such an amazing fucking drummer. I remember when i left you being particularly effective at the show i went to, wish they did ghost of books like his most recent show, was my favorite song he did and would prbably be elevated with the avey-deak harmonies.

[NightlifeMingus]

Deakin just posted a beautiful clip of a “new seed of a song” on Instagram — very haunting and raw. i love his solo piano/voice stuff

[foxtrot]

that was cool

[blindmowing]

ranking AC albums before IIN? inevitably somehow becomes "1e"

1a. Strawberry Jam A+
1b. Sung Tongs A+
1c. Feels A+
1d. Merriweather A+
5. Here Comes the Indian A-
6. Campfire Songs B+
7. Danse Manatee B+
8. Time Skiffs B+
9. Spirit They’ve Vanished B+
10. Painting With B
11. Centipede Hz B-
12. ODDSAC B-
13. Tangerine Reef C+

EPs
1. Fall Be Kind A
2. Prospekt Hummer B+
3. Water Curses B
4. People B-
5. Meeting of the Waters B-
6. The Painters C+
7. Bridge to Quiet C+
8. Transverse Temporal Gyrus C

[Stan]

That's what I'm talking about

[tay's tee games]

1a. Feels (A+)
1b. Merriweather (A+)
1c. Strawberry Jam (A+)
2a. Sung Tongs (A)
2b. Spirit (A)
3a. Ark (B+)
3b. Campfire Songs (B+)
3c. Centipede Hz (B+)
4a. ODDSAC (B)
4b. Time Skiffs (B)
5a. Painting With (C+)
5b. Tangerine Reef (C+)
6. Hollinndagain (D+)
7. Danse Manatee (F)

1a. Water Curses (A+)
1b. Fall Be Kind (A+)
2. Prospect Hummer (A)
3. People (A-)
4. Meeting of the Waters (B+)
5. Bridge to Quiet (B-)
6. The Painters (C)
7. Transverse Temporal Gyrus (D+)

[foxtrot]

tay's tee games wrote:

Danse Manatee (F)

Banned.

[dansemanatee]

foxtrot wrote:

tay's tee games wrote:

Danse Manatee (F)

Banned.

….

[tay's tee games]

Call me crazy but I'm just not a fan of anything that makes my ears bleed profusely

[Benji]

tay's tee games wrote:

Call me crazy but I'm just not a fan of anything that makes my ears bleed profusely

Feel the Hz

[andthephantom]

tay's tee games wrote:

Call me crazy but I'm just not a fan of anything that makes my ears bleed profusely

I’m just interested that you have Spirit as an A then. It’s frequencies seem just as intense to me as Danse’s.

[foxtrot]

Me:

1a. Feels (A+)
1b. Merriweather (A+)
1c. Strawberry Jam (A+)
1d. Sung Tongs (A+)
1e. Ark (A+)
1f. Time Skiffs (A+)

2a. Spirit (A)
2b. Danse (A)
2c. Campfire Songs (A)

3a. Centipede Hz (B+)
3b. Painting (B+).
3c. Tangerine (B+)

4. ODDSAC (B)


1a. Water Curses (A+)
1b. Fall Be Kind (A+)

2a. Prospect Hummer (A)
2b. People (A)
2c. Meeting of the Waters (A)

3a. Bridge to Quiet (B-)
3b. The Painters (B-)

4. Transverse Temporal Gyrus (C)

[wilandhugs]

foxtrot wrote:

Me:

1a. Feels (A+)
1b. Merriweather (A+)
1c. Strawberry Jam (A+)
1d. Sung Tongs (A+)
1e. Ark (A+)
1f. Time Skiffs (A+)

2a. Spirit (A)
2b. Danse (A)
2c. Campfire Songs (A)

3a. Centipede Hz (B+)
3b. Painting (B+).
3c. Tangerine (B+)

4. ODDSAC (B)


1a. Water Curses (A+)
1b. Fall Be Kind (A+)

2a. Prospect Hummer (A)
2b. People (A)
2c. Meeting of the Waters (A)

3a. Bridge to Quiet (B-)
3b. The Painters (B-)

4. Transverse Temporal Gyrus (C)

Damn mine is pretty similar I'd just swap the tier of Danse and CHz, move ODDSAC to A-, move BtQ to C, people to B+, and TTG to C-. Also Hollin in A only because it's not just a live album to me...

[foxtrot]

Those are pretty minor adjustments so yeh, we're pretty in synch!


Man, I am in a full blown phase atm where I don't want to listen to anything but AC. Have tried putting other stuff on but its just a little distraction before the next AC binge (or an attempt to save my wife and children from AC overdose).

[rohcti]

TTG, pretty damn spot on with what I would pick except SJ would probably be B tier and Sung Tongs A+. Would probably bump Spirit up to A+. Maybe Chz at A tier. Still surprisingly close.

Idk if I've ever listened to Danse and Campfire all the way through so idk what my placement for those would be. Maybe F by default

[wilandhugs]

foxtrot wrote:

Those are pretty minor adjustments so yeh, we're pretty in synch!


Man, I am in a full blown phase atm where I don't want to listen to anything but AC. Have tried putting other stuff on but its just a little distraction before the next AC binge (or an attempt to save my wife and children from AC overdose).

Yeah I literally don't listen to much else... just a little R.E.M. and that's it lol. I either skip around and sink in some tracks on my 17 hour curated playlist, or just shuffle my brain and throw on album I haven't heard in a while either. Guess we are in sync there too!

[tay's tee games]

rohcti wrote:

TTG, pretty damn spot on with what I would pick except SJ would probably be B tier and Sung Tongs A+. Would probably bump Spirit up to A+. Maybe Chz at A tier. Still surprisingly close.

Idk if I've ever listened to Danse and Campfire all the way through so idk what my placement for those would be. Maybe F by default

Right on. Definitely listen to Campfire again though, especially if Sung Tongs is A+ to you (which honestly it is to me a lot of the time). Sometimes it has less to focus in on I find since it moves at a more languid pace but god damn does it have THE fuckin vibes.

andthephantom wrote:

tay's tee games wrote:

Call me crazy but I'm just not a fan of anything that makes my ears bleed profusely

I’m just interested that you have Spirit as an A then. It’s frequencies seem just as intense to me as Danse’s.

Yeah I totally get this and obviously F is just me being a bit of a troll (more like a D- but I just never come back to it). There are certainly some songs on Spirit that can get to be a lot with the frequencies but I find the songs at the core of every track seriously shine through and the instrumentation/mix aids and embellishes it. Whereas with Danse I find it really difficult to find the song through the noise a lot of the time, and whilst I appreciate the experimentation and uniqueness and importance of it within their discography, I just get very little reward from listening to it.

Having said all that, I really enjoyed listening to There's An Arrow again with the pre-IIN tracklists, so I'm looking forward to isolating certain Danse tracks and giving them a shot again (plus reading other people's perspectives on them, which should help).