[evan6032]

I’m trying to will this into freebirding or my vinyl spontaneously showing up early

[Allatrobles]

evan6032 wrote:

I’m trying to will this into freebirding or my vinyl spontaneously showing up early

Hurt my myself recently and have gotten back into stretching heavily. Whenever I'm controlling my breath along with music or silence my mind constantly fnds itself dreaming about the Vinyl coming just before or on the 4th. I doubt it, but it's a nice day dream.

[Stories and Games]

less than two weeks from release and i still can't get my head around dragon slayer as the opener. in the live shows we've only ever heard it materialize out of a preceding song, i don't think of it as a song that just, yknow, starts. is the groove just gonna burst straight out of the gate or is it gonna emerge from some introductory soundscape? this is honestly the biggest thing i keep thinking abt

[blindmowing]

Stories and Games wrote:

less than two weeks from release and i still can't get my head around dragon slayer as the opener. in the live shows we've only ever heard it materialize out of a preceding song, i don't think of it as a song that just, yknow, starts. is the groove just gonna burst straight out of the gate or is it gonna emerge from some introductory soundscape? this is honestly the biggest thing i keep thinking abt

i posed this same question a few pages ago... my theory is a short (5-10 seconds) soundscape/field recording (water theme) fading into the opening chords

[Ethmin]

I've got a playlist going rn with Car Keys and DragonSlayer from Pitchfork Fest. Can't properly order it cause it goes Car Keys into Dragon Slayer. Album is going to rewire my brain

[Spagett]

Stories and Games wrote:

less than two weeks from release and i still can't get my head around dragon slayer as the opener. in the live shows we've only ever heard it materialize out of a preceding song, i don't think of it as a song that just, yknow, starts. is the groove just gonna burst straight out of the gate or is it gonna emerge from some introductory soundscape? this is honestly the biggest thing i keep thinking abt

I hear you man, been obsessing over the same kind of stuff lately, but Ive been thinking a lot about Car Keys. Whenever they've played it live it's usually been between 6-7 mins, with a decent portion of that dedicated to the build up before the first verse, but we know the studio version is just 4:36. If we can trust the reddit guy who got the vinyl early, we know the song's outro is around 1min40secs. If the song has kept the same tempo, the time from the first verse Panda sings to the end of the last chorus is around 2mins 25 secs. This leaves just around 30 seconds of intro before Panda starts singing, which is WAY faster than we've ever heard it done for the song. Im fascinated with how they will pull this off.

Dragon slayer is around 3mins10secs from the first line Avey sings to the end of the song, so I guess that leaves around 45 secs to work with for intro or outro on that track. I feel like the greater part of this extra time is gonna be dedicated to the intro because like you said, I can't see the song/album just starting out of the gate without any mood setting whatsoever.

[Ethmin]

calling it now the album is going to start with that flutey keyboard part by itself and then the drums come in and we are off to the races

[Spagett]

One thing that has surprised me now that we have the 3 singles in album sequence is that, despite all of them having long intros, outros, or both, none of the songs actually segue into one another in that way they've often done in AC albums (the opening three song suite in MPP, Daily Routine -> Bluish and Guys-> Taste, most of CHZ, Hocus Pocus ->Vertigo, etc). In addition, it doesn't look like Walker segues into Cherokee either.

The way Prester John starts I was thinking the Car Keys outro was going to flow into that song, but then I saw that Car Keys is on side A of the vinyl while PJ is on side B, and I don’t think there have been any examples of them splitting album transitions up like that for vinyl, has there? As far as I know, they tend to prioritise preserving the transitions even if they end up with very lopsided side durations as a result (SJ comes to mind with the need to keep mid album centrepieces FRG and FWX on the same vinyl side resulting in side C being only around 7 mins long with #1 and Winter Wonderland).

[wilandhugs]

Spagett wrote:

One thing that has surprised me now that we have the 3 singles in album sequence is that, despite all of them having long intros, outros, or both, none of the songs actually segue into one another in that way they've often done in AC albums (the opening three song suite in MPP, Daily Routine -> Bluish and Guys-> Taste, most of CHZ, Hocus Pocus ->Vertigo, etc). In addition, it doesn't look like Walker segues into Cherokee either.

The way Prester John starts I was thinking the Car Keys outro was going to flow into that song, but then I saw that Car Keys is on side A of the vinyl while PJ is on side B, and I don’t think there have been any examples of them splitting album transitions up like that for vinyl, has there? As far as I know, they tend to prioritise preserving the transitions even if they end up with very lopsided side durations as a result (SJ comes to mind with the need to keep mid album centrepieces FRG and FWX on the same vinyl side resulting in side C being only around 7 mins long with #1 and Winter Wonderland).

My bet is that DS into CK will have a transition and WGB/RnD are gonna have some kinda segue

[tdegenaro]

the tdegenaro live stream is 100% going to be ass quality, it'll be my iPhone pointed at my bad record player with mid-range speakers. also if the web sheriff says i can't do it i won't do it

[Hellomark]

They've had the vinyl split up transitions before, since Winter Wonderland goes right into Cuckoo Cuckoo. I really feel like Car Keys is gonna transition into Prester, the opening of Prester just feels so awkward starting right away with the drums/samples.

[foxtrot]

I think Slayer will almost certainly have some kind of 5-10 scene setting sound like In The Flowers that leads us into the song’s intro.

I mentioned last page maybe (?) that the Prester outro straight into Strung intro is a really interesting stretch. 2 and half mins of ambient soundscape type stuff. They haven’t done that in forever. Maybe the ebb and flow of these types of passages will replace the seamless transitions as a way of giving the album flow and dynamics?

[Spagett]

Hellomark wrote:

They've had the vinyl split up transitions before, since Winter Wonderland goes right into Cuckoo Cuckoo. I really feel like Car Keys is gonna transition into Prester, the opening of Prester just feels so awkward starting right away with the drums/samples.

True! Never listened to SJ on vinyl, but if I had it that forced pause on the middle of the transition would be exactly the kind of shit that would be super annoying to me.

I def agree that PJ feels awkward just starting that way and really hope it does transition from Car Keys, but if it does, that kinda sucks for TS vinyl listeners that they're not getting the transition done right.

[Slippi's Applesauce]

Slippi's Applesauce wrote:

s p e c u l a t i o n t i m e

this might be grasping at straws a little too much, but looking at the spectogram for car keys im like 90% sure that the outro made it, and is p long. you can see the point at the end where the bass drops out for deak's key part and Panda comes in with the side stick action, and then later when he switches from hi-hat to ride (gets more fadey/washed) and then back again

Reposting this about Car Keys bc the freebirder pretty much confirmed i was right. it doesn't look to me like it fades in from dragon slayer, but it very well could. hard to tell from this. those little peaks at the beginning are probably the scraping metal that the one reviewer mentioned.

however, we can see a little dead space at the end, so it won't go into Prester John

[wilandhugs]

foxtrot wrote:

I think Slayer will almost certainly have some kind of 5-10 scene setting sound like In The Flowers that leads us into the song’s intro.

I mentioned last page maybe (?) that the Prester outro straight into Strung intro is a really interesting stretch. 2 and half mins of ambient soundscape type stuff. They haven’t done that in forever. Maybe the ebb and flow of these types of passages will replace the seamless transitions as a way of giving the album flow and dynamics?

Makes you wonder if they had a desire to get rid of songs that act purely ambient ie. Daffy Duck, and that CHz was a bit of a trial regarding placing distinct passages at the beginning or ends of songs. PJ into SWE feels like the sweet spot between the two approaches on Feels and CHz.

[wilandhugs]

Spagett wrote:

Hellomark wrote:

They've had the vinyl split up transitions before, since Winter Wonderland goes right into Cuckoo Cuckoo. I really feel like Car Keys is gonna transition into Prester, the opening of Prester just feels so awkward starting right away with the drums/samples.

True! Never listened to SJ on vinyl, but if I had it that forced pause on the middle of the transition would be exactly the kind of shit that would be super annoying to me.

I def agree that PJ feels awkward just starting that way and really hope it does transition from Car Keys, but if it does, that kinda sucks for TS vinyl listeners that they're not getting the transition done right.

The pause isn't forced, they kinda let the wind sound effect and release on the instruments fade out in a way that you don't hear the opening of Cuckoo, so it works. Always disappointed me though that they just... didn't tack safer on there and put CC after WW... but hey...

[BORCHENKO??]

tdegenaro wrote:

the tdegenaro live stream is 100% going to be ass quality, it'll be my iPhone pointed at my bad record player with mid-range speakers. also if the web sheriff says i can't do it i won't do it

you sayin you know something we dont?

[tdegenaro]

no, i just live very close to the domino distro center and i'll play the album live if i get it early for you dweebs

[fernforested]

my anticipation for this album has reached a fever pitched — literally got the name tattooed on me https://ibb.co/ggCqjGd
so obsessed w the idea of the time skiffs being little moments to transport me to good times when i’m stressed or anxious — these songs got me thruough the pandemic and more. love you all can’t wait to jam out

[roopn]

foxtrot wrote:

I mentioned last page maybe (?) that the Prester outro straight into Strung intro is a really interesting stretch. 2 and half mins of ambient soundscape type stuff. They haven’t done that in forever. Maybe the ebb and flow of these types of passages will replace the seamless transitions as a way of giving the album flow and dynamics?

I think this is the simplest answer. My bet is there'll be a little silence between every track.
with the songs we havd so far you could hypothesise that the tracks will alternate outro/intro/outro/intro all the way through the album. Though I think this trend may be broken by slayer/car keys and possibly WGB

[r_o_s_s]

fernforested wrote:

my anticipation for this album has reached a fever pitched — literally got the name tattooed on me https://ibb.co/ggCqjGd
so obsessed w the idea of the time skiffs being little moments to transport me to good times when i’m stressed or anxious — these songs got me thruough the pandemic and more. love you all can’t wait to jam out

Wowww man, I love that, good for you. We’ve all got good times ahead of us. Love you all xx

[ingenue]

“Strung With Everything” could have been on Funeral or Neon Bible.

[unrecordednight]

is it possible that simply recording this album remotely made them opt for a lot of intros/outros rather than more complex segues? then imagine if for the next album every song segues into the next

[Spagett]

roopn wrote:

foxtrot wrote:

I mentioned last page maybe (?) that the Prester outro straight into Strung intro is a really interesting stretch. 2 and half mins of ambient soundscape type stuff. They haven’t done that in forever. Maybe the ebb and flow of these types of passages will replace the seamless transitions as a way of giving the album flow and dynamics?

I think this is the simplest answer. My bet is there'll be a little silence between every track.
with the songs we havd so far you could hypothesise that the tracks will alternate outro/intro/outro/intro all the way through the album. Though I think this trend may be broken by slayer/car keys and possibly WGB

If there are literally 0 transitions on the album it would be their first LP with silence between every track since Feels almost 18 years ago right? It'd be a looong streak to break. Im thinking there might be at least one or two maybe. I don't mind it if there aren't any though. Its funny, cus the seamless transitions on the albums is one of their studio tricks I enjoy the most as it kinda approximates the album experience to the live shows, which is peak AC for a lot of people (its one of my favorite parts of CHZ), but I haven't really missed it that much on the TS singles suite cus they take their time on the ambient passages in a way that lets you drift away and creates a great dynamic like foxtrot said.

[zilgen]

I also think that Slayer will seque right into Car Keys. They love to put the first 2 tracks together like that. Ark, Hollinndagain, MPP, CHz, and PW all have such seques. then again maybe they want to break that mold. they have also made alot of "jumpscare" transitions which jarr you in some way. I feel like this intro/outro matching is an alternative to those two types of transitions that they have used so much

BTW I keep listening and each of these singles just keeps sounding better and better! They got the mix just right so that it slowly opens up and no one else can do it like em

[Tropic]

ingenue wrote:

“Strung With Everything” could have been on Funeral or Neon Bible.

Haha yes, why not

[Slippi's Applesauce]

Looking at the spectrogram again I don’t think it will.

Also I feel like the disjointed recording process may not have let them look at this like an album, recording one song at a time and fitting them after. They prob hadn’t planned on this set of songs making an LP until some point during the recording process, and with songs like Broke/Gem and I not making the cut i bet they didn’t have any songs transition since they weren’t sure how they’d turn out.

But yeah Feels has no transitions (I did a quadruple take at that 18 years comment jfc) but still feels like one of their most cohesive albums to me. I really think TS will feel similar even if it doesn’t have segues

[foxtrot]

Transitions or not, these guys are masters at sequencing their albums.

I have no doubt this baby will flow like the beer down my throat on a Friday arvo.

It’s going to be tasty.

[roopn]

openupya

[Hellomark]

That short buildup section in Strung is becoming one of my favorite things they've ever put on record I think. It's the most raw and live sounding they've come off in the studio since pprobably SJ. But even a lot of stuff from that album doesn't have quite the same energy to it. It's really unique, like the intensity comes more from the level of deliberate restraint. Basically if the Cherokee bridge has the same feel to it I will lose my mind.

[drewblzz]

zilgen wrote:

I also think that Slayer will seque right into Car Keys. They love to put the first 2 tracks together like that. Ark, Hollinndagain, MPP, CHz, and PW all have such seques. then again maybe they want to break that mold. they have also made alot of "jumpscare" transitions which jarr you in some way. I feel like this intro/outro matching is an alternative to those two types of transitions that they have used so much

BTW I keep listening and each of these singles just keeps sounding better and better! They got the mix just right so that it slowly opens up and no one else can do it like em

Floridada doesn’t transition into hocus pocus

[wilandhugs]

I wonder if each side of the record will be a 'suite', like corresponding intro outros.

Personally I think Slayer into Keys is gonna happen but I wouldn't be totally surprised it there was a similar case with PJ into SWE, which again as everyone else is pointing out, is some of the most profound instrumental material they've done in a while.

[blindmowing]

Slippi's Applesauce wrote:

those little peaks at the beginning are probably the scraping metal that the one reviewer mentioned.

however, we can see a little dead space at the end, so it won't go into Prester John

right. it was the first review by the Wire which mentioned "Car Keys" opens with scraping metal sounds.

i'm with foxtrot on this idea they're really trying to create little rivers of sound between each song/skiff

[zilgen]

drewblzz wrote:

zilgen wrote:

I also think that Slayer will seque right into Car Keys. They love to put the first 2 tracks together like that. Ark, Hollinndagain, MPP, CHz, and PW all have such seques. then again maybe they want to break that mold. they have also made alot of "jumpscare" transitions which jarr you in some way. I feel like this intro/outro matching is an alternative to those two types of transitions that they have used so much

BTW I keep listening and each of these singles just keeps sounding better and better! They got the mix just right so that it slowly opens up and no one else can do it like em

Floridada doesn’t transition into hocus pocus

ah youre right, i was thinking hocus pocus>vertical

[speen]

foxtrot wrote:

I have no doubt this baby will flow like the beer down my throat on a Friday arvo.

It’s going to be tasty.

hell yeah. i really liked prester john and walker but hearing strung with everything sold me on the flow of the album. i feel like theyre gonna nail it

[Lacrimosa]

the “I’ve got this world (i think)” part and the second part of SWE is def (close to) top tier AC, those parts heal my soul.

[Cooper]

On the main final yell/explosion/climax of SWE that’s repeated like 6 times- where tf is all of that noise coming from? I’m hearing a loud amorphous thing making most of the noise but it doesn’t sound like anything. Maybe it’s just an overtone I’m hearing

Also just noticed aveys triumphant yell at 6:16, it’s so cute. That whole section is prob the best AC moment since what would I want sky. It sounds like avey’s singing through tears, and there is so much meaningful variety in his delivery from one word to the next

[coral lord]

Lacrimosa wrote:

the “I’ve got this world (i think)” part and the second part of SWE is def (close to) top tier AC, those parts heal my soul.

That’s the part that reminds me of Water Curses, it’s so good. Could have been recorded 15 years ago

[unrecordednight]

so if this doesn't freebird, when does it appear on streaming services? 12am est? 12am pst? i don't listen to much music outside of AC so idk, i'm wondering if i should stay up late or wake up early to listen

[Slippi's Applesauce]

12 AM the time of each time zone.

So it would first come out in New Zealand at 12 Am Feb 4, which is like 6 AM ET Feb 3rd. Then continues unlocking in each country as they hit midnight.