[rampface]

Maybe he's not 100 percent yet

[xelaetaks]

Sam wrote:

xelaetaks wrote:

jetski wrote:

xelaetaks wrote:

If i remember correctly, I think Noah told me the new album would be released sometime around November.

Whoa really? Not that I don't believe you, it's just surprising. Like roopn said, if he hasn't even talked to Domino about the album yet then I would expect that we'd have to wait until next year, because of stuff like mastering, artwork/design, pressing vinyl, promotion, etc. Maybe some of those things are already in the pipeline tho

It could be I'm remembering wrong but I thought he said something about November. It's possible he also said he's looking to release it sometime after November. I guess we'll probably find out soon anyway.

Is there a reason why Panda wouldn't have talked to Domino? I'm sure he'd keep at least someone in the loop if he's been working on a record.

I don't know.

[Pan]

there's a difference between 'He hadn't talked to his label' and 'He hadn't talked to his label yet about plans for release.'

they prob haven't figured where they are gonna fit him in their release schedule

[jetski]

Yeah that's a good point Pan. Based off that sentence alone, a 2017 release is not out of the question. I honestly have no idea how far in advance Domino plans this stuff anyway. I guess I also like to keep my expectations low and assume 2018 so if it's out this year I'm pleasantly surprised. We'll see

[Pan]

yeah it depends on how dense their Q3 and/or 4 is

also I imagine they would want to do a press buildup and rollout similar in length to grim reaper
though this album, according to panda, being in the mini-lp territory might mean it will have a more muted release

[Gool Aid]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=W-plTqFqXE0&app=desktop[/youtube]

hope this is the vibe of pands new album

[roopn]

Pan wrote:

yeah it depends on how dense their Q3 and/or 4 is

also I imagine they would want to do a press buildup and rollout similar in length to grim reaper
though this album, according to panda, being in the mini-lp territory might mean it will have a more muted release

ja my guess is this will be a little more low-key than PBVSGR

[clearwaters]

My guess is a release on a new bandcamp next month

[jerry wonder]

will PB be able to keep up his streak?

with this new release AV has been keeping his up since 2012 if you know what I mean.

please panda please

[real slippi]

wonder if he's moving away from the "goldilocks's zone" vibe on PB6. I can see panda wanting to do something more raw with his next one. tomboy and pbvsgr were both slick sounding. from that interview, I somehow got the impression that this one is going to be raw and possibly fucked up sounding.

speaking of goldilocks's zone...I was on a business call with a sales engineer guy who threw this phrase into his internal presentation when he was talking about hitting this customer 'sweet spot' essentially. he instead used the GZ phrase in his presentation and I couldn't respond with anything sensible. kept wondering the remainder of the meeting if this is commonly used phrasing - "hitting the GZ", "landing in the GZ"... probably more discussion for the general section of the forum, but a valid quandary.

[roopn]

I had never heard it before petek used it. But I've since heard others say it. I think it's a "normal" phrase but not a particularly common one

[Cussing Bum]

real slippi wrote:

wonder if he's moving away from the "goldilocks's zone" vibe on PB6. I can see panda wanting to do something more raw with his next one. tomboy and pbvsgr were both slick sounding. from that interview, I somehow got the impression that this one is going to be raw and possibly fucked up sounding.

speaking of goldilocks's zone...I was on a business call with a sales engineer guy who threw this phrase into his internal presentation when he was talking about hitting this customer 'sweet spot' essentially. he instead used the GZ phrase in his presentation and I couldn't respond with anything sensible. kept wondering the remainder of the meeting if this is commonly used phrasing - "hitting the GZ", "landing in the GZ"... probably more discussion for the general section of the forum, but a valid quandary.

As a huge fan of Tomboy and PBVSGR, I hope you're right. He did refer to those albums as part of a trilogy at one point, so it would make sense for him to try something new.

I know GZ is used in astronomy to reference the place where life could theoretically exist because of the temperatures being neither too hot nor too cold. I think that may be its primary use, but I could be wrong.

[Stanshant]

To me, Goldilocks Zone means 'overworked to the point of lacking inspiration and energy'.

Can't wait for part three of the trilogy.

[destiny]

i heard from youtube comments section that the next panda bear is named "stanshan on some weird shit bruh my next album will slap V"

[moop]

Stanshant wrote:

To me, Goldilocks Zone means 'overworked to the point of lacking inspiration and energy'.

Can't wait for part three of the trilogy.

God you are annoying.

[scrambledgreggs]

I think the trilogy he was talking about was the sample-based stuff starting with PP, which means it's already over and this could be something really different

[jetski]

^ya, he definitely referred to pbvsgr as the conclusion to a trilogy of sorts

[roopn]

How does Tomboy fit into that though? The majority of the songs are guitar based

[jetski]

Eh, there's still a lot of samples on there. When he played live during that era I think his setup was a guitar, 2 SP-555s, and a mixer, so besides the guitar it's a pretty similar setup to Person Pitch. I also hear some similarities between Tomboy and pbvsgr, a lot of the sound fx stuff sounds similar (I assume largely due to Sonic Boom), and the drum break on Slow Motion reminds me of all the beats on pbvsgr.

I definitely think of Tomboy as its own separate thing, but as a trilogy I think those 3 albums make sense

[fernforested]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOP !

[real slippi]

It seems more and more to me as time goes on that Dave and Noah both work best when someone outside can come in and serve a "producer" role tweaking the volumes in the mix of different elements of the music and that, while they can both do this, it's neither something they thoroughly enjoy, nor is it something that comes as naturally to them as building out new songs from scratch.

But as I say this, it's interesting, because this forum really latched on to those ATP boots, then demos, which were "self produced" while I've also heard people complain that tomboy sounded quiet or that the bass was low, preferring the singles mixes. I put on the Bros 12" this past weekend and was discussing the single mix with my wife and how I enjoyed listening to it more than the album version because I liked the transition between the two main sections of the song better in the single version. I don't actually know, but I'm curious if I like listening to it more because it's a different mix and I still know that the other is there if I want to go listen to it.

[Stanshant]

On the other hand, I totally disagree with this. Noah's stuff has been much better when self produced and when it has retained some rough, fresh edges. There's not a single song of his which was improved by weeks in the studio re-recording and adding instrumentation. He's not fuckin Steely Dan and it's not his forte to rewrite and re-record. Same even with Surfer's Hymn. The original live performance and version was comfortably the most resonant.

[speen]

Stanshant wrote:

There's not a single song of his which was improved by weeks in the studio re-recording and adding instrumentation.

This statement made me want to loudly disagree, but the more I think about it, the more I agree. The only thing I can think of is that I prefer the studio versions of all the PP songs, but that doesn't really change what you said, because they were essentially just recreated in the studio in the same manner he did them live, with tweaks and fine tuning, rather than through a whole bunch of addition and change

But even then, I still find myself regularly returning to the PP live boots, and I've probably listened to the Tomboy material live more than the actual album. As for GR, I regularly listen to the boots, and rarely return to the actual album because of severe demoitis / how many things I wish he did differently. It's hard for me to appreciate Selfish Gene, Tropic of Cancer, Jabberwocky, and so many others because of how improved they feel, and I agree with Stan, I think that would have been fixed had he just sat down in the studio and did it rather than labor over it, add fuckloads of layers, tweak everything, etc

Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass and I simply haven't been enlightened yet, but I doubt it

[Angelic Chaos]

Hmm, I never really thought about Person Pitch in a live context, but I'm interested, are there any particularly good boots from that era?

[jfw7]

the portuguese shows are great (ZDB and radio zero) and people party is good but there's not really the same dedication to the early sound as there is with grim reaper afaik. there were true unreleased b-sides from that era so that's part of it for sure. re: tomboy, i like the original track ordering more than the album (starting with drone) but i like the studio sound a lot. which tomboots do people prefer over the album?

i (somewhat) agree with stansh—"not a single song of his which was improved by weeks in the studio"—except i would say that very few of them actually suffered from the studio process. first though best thought 100%, but also this feels like part of the artwork with panda and i don't wanna discard it just because of where i jumped in as a listener

[roopn]

I got nothing to contribute but I love tomboy so much
it's ma fav pb record

[dio]

when i hear ppl talking abt songs being improved or having severe demoitis i want to nuke myself. boots vs album is like a reasonable conversation to have and YET, this thread should be locked for like 5 more months.

also its all about that governors balls 10 for sick i think i can/chores and crazy benfica and surfers hymn.

[Stanshant]

Thing is, it's not even a question of taste or preference. One of those two things is better than the other and the only reason to prefer the album versions with PB is if you work in a young person clothes shop and are making a mix CD to put on in the background between songs by Wu Lyf and Yeasayer.

That said, it is well boring now.

[roopn]

real slippi wrote:

I put on the Bros 12" this past weekend and was discussing the single mix with my wife and how I enjoyed listening to it more than the album version because I liked the transition between the two main sections of the song better in the single version. I don't actually know, but I'm curious if I like listening to it more because it's a different mix and I still know that the other is there if I want to go listen to it.

I find the bass in the album version of bros to be distractingly loud. In that respect, the single version is way better! but for convenience's sake I always listen to the album one.
I must get my hands on that 12"...

Diomedes wrote:

also its all about that governors balls 10 for sick i think i can/chores and crazy benfica and surfers hymn.

do you mean governor's island? I've never been that big on PB boots but I love the '09 ATP one so I'm keen to check this out

[roopn]

Stanshant wrote:

Thing is, it's not even a question of taste or preference. One of those two things is better than the other and the only reason to prefer the album versions with PB is if you work in a young person clothes shop and are making a mix CD to put on in the background between songs by Wu Lyf and Yeasayer.

That said, it is well boring now.

if it's not a question of taste or performance, then what is it a question of? and pls talk less "objectively"

I like ya stan but you haven't stopped talking about this for 2.5 years

[dio]

i feel like the biggest whole in that whole argument beyond the sheer fact of every song setting the standards for its own goals and functions as a song in a way that makes it impossible to successfully complain about a demo/live being different is just like why not just have both. u already have pretty good demo/live recordings so u rlly just wanted that fully reiterated on the live version? 2 versions. like this way u get both. so like, shutup?

also i think i meant 09 atp not governors island actually lol tho the set is roughly the same maybe idk

[alvinrowx]

demonclusters wrote:

But even then, I still find myself regularly returning to the PP live boots, and I've probably listened to the Tomboy material live more than the actual album. As for GR, I regularly listen to the boots, and rarely return to the actual album because of severe demoitis / how many things I wish he did differently. It's hard for me to appreciate Selfish Gene, Tropic of Cancer, Jabberwocky, and so many others because of how improved they feel, and I agree with Stan, I think that would have been fixed had he just sat down in the studio and did it rather than labor over it, add fuckloads of layers, tweak everything, etc

Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass and I simply haven't been enlightened yet, but I doubt it

I usually don't listen too much to the boots before the studio versions have been released because it often ruins this period when I discover a song and listen to it many times per day. But I dit it with Jabberwocky which I recorded in Paris, because I couldn't wait longer after the GR release. And indeed, I was a little disappointed by the studio version but I can't say if it's because I was used to the boot or if the boot was better. The same for Tropic of Cancer. But I love almost all the other songs from GR, especially Crosswords, Come to your senses, Butcher Baker and Selfish Gene.

On Tomboy, I listened a lot to the first demos (not the live versions). Even if I prefer the demos' raw sound, the only final version that really disappointed me was the title track. The new weird sound felt unnecessary.

The last 2 Panda Bear's albums could have keep more of the boots raw sound but, to me, they're still better than any other anco-related albums released after ODDSAC.

[Stanshant]

It's good that multiple versions exist, obviously. I just find his decisions and trajectory baffling. He went from my favourite musician full stop to being partly enjoyable, in the space of three records. I doubt he's particularly bothered by this. For me, it's like a transgressive infidelity, the one that got away and wanked off my dad en route. I'll shut up about it now as I'm 37 years old.

[Tropic]

A lot of Greaper tracks changed fundamentally from live > studio. Totally different vibes. I'm 25 and have stroked Stanshant's dad to completion

[dio]

im 25 and have a mad crush on stanshant and is only poster im okay with bitching about "demoitis" at this point BUT it still seems kind of tragic cuz i was totally playing studio Jabberwocky a few times this past week and was like oh yeah remember this track it's such a banger and I really enjoyed it so like why cant we all enjoy it as much yknow. yes live nadir was transcendental but also selfish gene is maybe my favorite song of all time also so like. 2 versions...

neway everyone in this thread needs to go to eucalyptus thread... lock this thread til an official announcement or boot just sayin

[Stanshant]

Deal.

I'm in love with you all, by the way. Sorry if I seem hateful, I'm really not. This is the best forum.

[clearwaters]

I always thought Goldilocks Zone was a reference to the sonic the hedgehog games

[jerry wonder]

I'm 31 and I love the Goldilocks Zone production...................BUT I do miss the live DROPZ

[Stanshant]

Go listen to your Bassnectar 12"s grandpa!

[preacherben]

Y'all Stan is a national treasure