[kingo]

people would throw a fit if golden gal or floridada weren't on the album though haha

[dervish]

kingo wrote:

people would throw a fit if golden gal or floridada weren't on the album though haha

i dont know, floridada sticks out like such a sore thumb to me. it's like 'which one of these doesn't belong'

[ClownFrown]

dervish wrote:

kingo wrote:

people would throw a fit if golden gal or floridada weren't on the album though haha

i dont know, floridada sticks out like such a sore thumb to me. it's like 'which one of these doesn't belong'

That's why it's a fun thing to think about the Flori/GG 7''. To me, Summing into Recycling would be an amazing closer. I love Golden Gal, but like Floridada, it just seems of a different breed than the other (now) 12 songs and kind of hiccups the flow a bit for me.

[Ethmin]

I'd replace Floridada with Gnip and just stick Hounds after Recycling. I really love Floridada as a single but I agree it sticks out on the album.

[scrambledgreggs]

I think the album is perfectly sequenced, and both of these songs belong on the 7"

[zack]

Gnip Gnop is so fucking good. Hounds is cool, I like it more now but oh first listen I was like "uuughhh w the hocketing dude" like I still say that I like all of them as songs but in the context of the album/era it is just baffling to me that he would want to go that far with variations of the same effect that no joke was already repetitive to me when it was only on one song (Boys Latin). Then you consider that this is the first AC album that Noah has had half the songs to work with and I love these songs and the album as a whole it's just so odd to me and makes it feel like panda dropped the ball a little bit. For the record Recycling is my second favorite behind On Delay. I'm sorry Panda Bear I love you, Person Pitch is right up there with Spirit and HCTI as the best and Greaper is the fucking jam. I'm an avey fangirl maybe but in all seriousness I don't get how none of the three of them questioned if there wasn't some legitmate sameness there with pandas songs.

[Hellomark]

Gnip Gnop is so great. I just wanna listen over and over. Hounds is alright, the vocal melodies are fantastic but texturally it feels a little lacking imo. Surprised at all the people saying it would make a good closer though, I can't see that at all. Recycling is just too perfect to me.

[hear_smiles]

Hellomark wrote:

Gnip Gnop is so great. I just wanna listen over and over. Hounds is alright, the vocal melodies are fantastic but texturally it feels a little lacking imo. Surprised at all the people saying it would make a good closer though, I can't see that at all. Recycling is just too perfect to me.

the live performances of hounds really outdo the studio version for me! i don't dislike the studio work they put in, and enjoy the track a ton. im happy hounds of bairro is now an animal collecters song that we can always have a chance of hearing a souped up version of in live shows

speaking of reworks

I want to know their next batch of songs they're bringing back from other albums for this tour, like the 2nd?half of the tour having variance from the first type of deal

[iKahn]

zack wrote:

Gnip Gnop is so fucking good. Hounds is cool, I like it more now but oh first listen I was like "uuughhh w the hocketing dude" like I still say that I like all of them as songs but in the context of the album/era it is just baffling to me that he would want to go that far with variations of the same effect that no joke was already repetitive to me when it was only on one song (Boys Latin). Then you consider that this is the first AC album that Noah has had half the songs to work with and I love these songs and the album as a whole it's just so odd to me and makes it feel like panda dropped the ball a little bit.

I don't know...I think it's a supremely clever and auteur tool to use in a series of songs. Sure, it can make the songs same-y, but I tend to see it as how many great melodies can evolve from such a peculiar idea? I see it as, and I kind of think he does too, as a challenge to what can be done with a limited set of ideas to work with...and in that regard I think he did a great job.

I do, though, admit that HoB is probably my least favorite of those experiments...but I'll give it time to grow.

[davidvidvid]

The hocketing is definitely essential every time. When panda wrote hocketing parts he had a plan. It's just something that's hard to get used to. Summing the wretch, recycling and natural selection are the highlights of hocketing for me because they're really creative with it. The hocketing in Stw sounds to me like vocals flying everywhere, in recycling I love how Aveys vocals chase pandas and NS makes my head move 70% of the time. I will admit that i found it off putting in stw for awhile

[Stanshant]

iKahn wrote:

I tend to see it as how many great melodies can evolve from such a peculiar idea? I see it as, and I kind of think he does too, as a challenge to what can be done with a limited set of ideas to work with...

I completely agree, which is why it sounds like he's running dry on inspiration. It was pretty gimmicky even on Boys Latin but the well is bone dry. There's nothing to 'get'. That's the point. It sounds like exercise, not art.

[destiny]

i think it sounds best on recycling. it makes the mind bafflingly beautiful melody even more powerful...

[Ozymandias]

Just popping in to say mine arrived (UK)
No dispatch email or anything from Domino which I thought was weird.

[rampface]

If you just focus on the main melody then listening shouldn't be a problem. It has a natural delay sound to my ears. I think it's cool they used the technique for PW.

[ClownFrown]

^wurd. It's sweet how varied and far PB employed the idea as an element of a song. Bound to be peeps who only hone in on it as a gimmicky vocal effect (ho-ck-et-ing as is often said), but hearing it as one part (texture/color) of a broader song has been really trippy for me (esp. w/ ). It's like Panda's latest palette/brushstroke technique, and I love its relation to cubism's shattered/4D perspective. My third ear can jut from PB's voice to AV's syncopated counter and eventually it can become a phonetic brain scrambler in the best way (psychedelic). Kind of like when you said your name over and over and over as a kid and eventually it sounded meaningless (cue earliest existential meltdown... anybody else do/have this?). Hopefully not being too literal with "Painting", but I love the similarity to painterly experimentation--impressionists, cubists, fauvists, etc. didn't just do their thing once and wash their hands of it ("there, it's been done. we all understand it in a top-down manner. what's the next thing?"). They explored the abstract 'feels' of it.

[captainhowdy]

Gnip Gnop is easily my favorite song from this phase. God damn. If it had been track one and Floridada been four or five on the album... God damn....

[joby]

the hocketting grew on me a lot, theres actually a lot of variation from song to song in how its employed. they really fool around with where the emphasis lands in relation to the back beat and the melodic structures.

[Stanshant]

It's pretty disrespectful to other listeners on here to imply they don't get it. I wouldn't say 'your undiscerning critical ear and desperate need for satisfaction have blinded you to reality'.

The comment that the songs shift and morph depending on which part you're listening to might need one single example to back it up, though, because it comes across as meaningless hollow rhetoric. It's also meaningless to say 'they keep on giving'. In what sense?

To me, as to a number of people who like them, they sound like prescribed exercises. I like a number of them for certain melodies and harmonies, they're catchy for the most part, they're energetic. They've just never been so formulaic and predictable before.

It's one thing to discuss the music but another to say that people are listening incorrectly.

[jfw7]

Stanshant wrote:

It's pretty disrespectful to other listeners on here to imply they don't get it. I wouldn't say 'your undiscerning critical ear and desperate need for satisfaction have blinded you to reality'.

The comment that the songs shift and morph depending on which part you're listening to might need one single example to back it up, though, because it comes across as meaningless hollow rhetoric. It's also meaningless to say 'they keep on giving'. In what sense?

To me, as to a number of people who like them, they sound like prescribed exercises. I like a number of them for certain melodies and harmonies, they're catchy for the most part, they're energetic. They've just never been so formulaic and predictable before.

It's one thing to discuss the music but another to say that people are listening incorrectly.

this guy gets it

[Stanshant]

Hey, no worries, I think we agree then that there's no wrong way to listen. I hope you can see why I took it that way from that phrase, though. I'm not trying to shut you down, mate, nor anyone who's got good things to say about the album or Noah's songwriting.

If you say I'm being repetitive, I'll take you at your word. I've made the point a few times now with slightly different wording so I'll consider it acknowledged. I don't mean my musical opinion to be disrespectful to them as people, I don't mind their weaker material existing, because it makes the highlights shine even brighter in contrast. Ultimately, it's all part of the tapestry, and it's great to explore why we do and don't each like different songs or elements. The 'it's all good'/' focus on the positive' mindset devalues their music (not that you said this, but as an aside). It's not all good, that's precisely what makes much of it good. The remarkable thing with these guys is that so much of it is so good, a really enjoyable record like this is a relative lowlight.

[speen]

Stanshant wrote:

It's one thing to discuss the music but another to say that people are listening incorrectly.

it pisses me off so much when people do this

but yeah, for a band as good as ac, a record that isnt amazing becomes a disappointment. i never said painting with is bad; it's quite fun, im listening to it right now; it's just my least favorite ac album

[swik12]

high-res scans of the artwork:

http://imgur.com/a/M3vPz

not by me, idk who scanned them I just saw them on reddit

[BenPup]

studio gnip gnop > live gnip gnop
studio hounds of barrios < live hounds of barrios

[csw]

Woulda been neat if there was a sample from this in GG

[speen]

BenPup wrote:

studio gnip gnop > live gnip gnop
studio hounds of barrios < live hounds of barrios

I'd agree with that

[Ethmin]

I'm gonna be pretty disappointed if we don't get digital versions

[Tropic]

I think both studio and live Gnip Gnop slay equally. Happy with how it turned out

[dio]

ya i like live and studio gnip a LOT. they almost seem kinda different... seems like some of the lyrics are different like, i keep hearing "it's a big production" instead of "gnip gnop" live

[Tropic]

I would just make up my own words while singing it with the boots, was a lot of fun. There's a lot of things you can rhyme gnip and gnop with.

[Hellomark]

Only thing I miss in the studio gnip gnop is the part where avey goes into a higher octave near the end of the song in this vid. Small complaint tho, perfect otherwise.

[BenPup]

i just prefer all the little sounds in the studio recording. where was hounds doesnt really have any much but live it was BOOMIN

[jetski]

Someone please make a 10 hour youtube of the chorus of Gnip Gnop

I DONT WANNA EVER STOP

[jetski]

I got this in the mail today. Hounds sounds sick at 33 rpm

[zack]

Victor Borge wrote:

Someone please make a 10 hour youtube of the chorus of Gnip Gnop

I DONT WANNA EVER STOP

This will exist and be amazing. Just watched that video of Gnip Gnop into Lying in the Grass. Gotta say litg sold me on the hocketing a little more, or the video of them physically doing it rather. It does make it seem like more of a cool thing especially with aveys silly af (but cute) dancing lol. It reminded me of what I like so much about Recycling, which as I've said is second only to On Delay here for me even though it's the only song of pandas that has put itself on that level so far. But yeah it reminded me of how in recycling he hocketing is utilized in such a disorienting way. I think someone said nitrous (SB?) and that is on point as hell. I still stand by saying I would have liked to have had more variety out of pandas songs but if it took an album to get to Recycling so be it
Also sorry for being a loser and bringing it up when several people including myself already had, feel like a parade raining jerk a bit. I think the point about the tapestry was beautiful and true.

[TB8S]

Can anyone crunchitize me captain?

[thespectrum]

i feel like if someone was to simply ask Panda himself why he's done this particular vocal technique so much, and why he likes it, it'd probably help in at least understanding what he sees in it, even if you're not so keen on it. please do this someone cheers xo

[ClownFrown]

Hey y'all,

By "what"ever means necessary (wink wink), I procured a lossless hi-res rip of the 7'' and, again, performed some mastering magic on the two songs so they match the eq, tone/texture, and loudness of the digital 'Painting With' files as closely as my ears could hear (it doubly clear). In the case of never getting digital files of these, I think this will be as close as we'll get. If you're an ocd, mild-audiophile nerd like myself, the rip-quality--lossless format--bit depth--sample rate stuff matters. So, I will crunchatize thee if thee so asks with the following:

24/88.2 wav files (hi-res), 16/44.1 wav files (cd-res), high quality front and back scans of the 7'' and accompanying spectrograms of each song

This way, if you downloaded the hi-res PW files, you can play the 7'' hi-res files without sample rate issues. I also provide regular cd quality res files for ease of listening across different sources. I trust you can find a way to convert to lossy (mp3/aac) if you want, but I'm only into that good huge file shiz. And please, please, please, don't go willy nilly sharing the dl link to this shiz. Among CA peeps, fine (even though there are lurkers among us with less-than noble intentions... I'm looking at you indieshuffle Deak-prose hijacker). But pretty please, don't start throwing this around on soundclown, ootube, guyspace, or whatever the latest streaming craze.*

Spoiler: show

*Even though I acknowledge the futility of asking for people's word on the internet, better to hear the jams than not. Have a good time, good time, good time!

[jetski]

I have confidence that we'll get digital versions next week (just realized that the original preorder blurb said the single would ship the week of March 28, which is Monday). It's not like it's a white label or something

[memememe]

i would've easily put either of these songs on the LP instead of Spilling Guts and Natural Selection.

Gnip Gnop is maybe a little longer than it needs to be.

[destiny]

gnip gnop should be longer honestly...