[kafkaesque]

hahahahaha oh my god, that's amazing. the strongest bit of powell's nostalgia isn't even real

[BORCHENKO??]

who's recording the Friday show? honestly I'm more excited for the live boots than I was for the freebird

[tdegenaro]

BORCHENKO?? wrote:

who's recording the Friday show? honestly I'm more excited for the live boots than I was for the freebird

Agree One hunnit.

[Tropic]

Actually doesn't the guy say it was 'before anyone knew Sung Tongs existed'? And then mentions them playing Banshee Beat? Oh well

[appy halloween]

Pwnd..

And I live in Chicago, my LP went from Ann Arbor to NJ too.. They must have a sorting facility there or something..

Ugh

[r1pvanw1nkl3]

Very happy to live in NJ... hopefully I'll get mine before Friday

[joby]

*not talking about pitchfork*

i honestly don't think that AC cares anymore about its location within the cultural zeitgeist. They have always wanted to be a contemporary psychedelic experimental pop band who's music largely involves making embarrassing sounds with yer lung throats and synthesizers, and experimenting with song structures and awkward time signatures and tunings that don't make sense (for me PW is way more experimental than MPP or cHz).

AC is not culturally important in the way they were before, but that literally has ZERO to do with the quality of the compositions or the depth of the experimentations on this record or the last.

Also as a working artist, I'm 27 and treat my creative practice like a 9-5. I go in every day for the same amount of time, punch my card in, start painting, take an hour for lunch, stop, clock out, repeat. Waiting for inspiration to strike is a waste of time. Having a creative practice is a way of being, u don't need to be inspired to be. so the idea that AC need to be high on acid in a crappy studio apartment in the lower east side in order to summon some sort of spirit is crap.

[robgnarr]

CallAnyVegetable wrote:

robgnarr wrote:

Pitchfork is trash these days, I really think they don't care about INDIE music anymore.

[s]My own opinion[/s

All I'm saying is I couldn't tell you the last time I found out about a good indie band from p4k. CA however, has introduced me to a lot. Every time I go on p4k it's all Kanye and Young Thug etc.

[jetski]

Tropic of Cans wrote:

Actually doesn't the guy say it was 'before anyone knew Sung Tongs existed'? And then mentions them playing Banshee Beat? Oh well

He mentions seeing them play the ST material in Charlottesville before the album came out, then describes a separate anecdote where he saw them play Banshee Beat

They played Feels material before Sung Tongs came out so what Avey's saying sounds right

[Gool Aid]

joby wrote:

so the idea that AC need to be high on acid in a crappy studio apartment in the lower east side in order to summon some sort of spirit is crap.

yeah but this was a very different time with very different records, i think it should atleast be acknowledged that it did shape their sound and lives etc.

it was hard times im sure but i bet they look back like "oh shit i cant believe we did that". im sure its good times too..i guess im saying i think this time in their lives were some of the most important, the new york times were very important, not to be nostalgic or anything, but when you listen to prospect hummer or here comes in the indian or feels or w.e. you can hear they were in a different place. just like now you can hear they are in a different place..its a shame to ignore this..its so important

also, as an artist i think its important to look at where u are in life and understand that it is what it is and you make do with what you have, just so happens i think that they are in a place that i dont find as interesting with this record.


either way it just comes down to preference, if u arent feeling the new stuff there is more music out there thats exciting in different ways.. im always excited to see what AC does, whether its my favorite record of the year or not.

[tdegenaro]

robgnarr wrote:

All I'm saying is I couldn't tell you the last time I found out about a good indie band from p4k. CA however, has introduced me to a lot. Every time I go on p4k it's all Kanye and Young Thug etc.

Florist, Why Khaliq, Sioux Falls, Lissie, Foxes, Porches, Cross Records, Field Music.... that's from Feb alone. Also I'd be careful how you phrase your takedown. Black & hip-hop artists matter fam.

[Gool Aid]

giraffacus wrote:

context is everything guys

[cujo]

Gool Aid wrote:

moop wrote:

lonecyclone wrote:

moop wrote:

the last bit of burglars sends chills down my whole body and just makes me wanna jump around

the part where avey just repeats 'the burglars are the future. the future. the future' over and over again?

mostly pandas melody. this whole thing is unreal to me

best part of the record

agree, amazing, but the last 10 sec sound so much like Sin Fang Bous

[tdegenaro]

The burglars are the future? I thought THE OUTLAW IS THE FUTURE THE FUTURE THE FUTURE THE OUTLAW IS THE FUTURE THE FUTURE now I'm confused.

[MarfaJazz]

Man, I really want to hear the Burglars and Vertical, but I don't have a computer (just my iPhone).

I guess I can wait three more days until it's streaming on Spotify

[Stanshant]

I think they've acknowledged much more this time round that they're not flavour of the month no more, and they're going to polarise opinion. I was almost surprised at how often they've said similar things about people hating them and them being fine with that. Equally, I've never seen them talk so much about music as a career/job than over the last few years. I mean, some of Tomboy seemed to specifically reference lifestyle/career stuff. I have found this dispiriting at times, because it kind of tarnishes my romanticised perception of what they do, but there's no way anyone can listen to this, or CHz, and say they're just trying to monetise a product now.

As ever, they're trying to push themselves into new areas when they could enjoy a much more lucrative career revisiting Sung Tongs, Feels and MPP. Life has changed, yes, but without the possibility of change, there's only death.

[Emceegreg]

[Cussing Bum]

I think one of the later melodies of Golden Gal reminds me of some Shins song. Anyone else?

[Synusoid]

tdegenaro wrote:

Yo, it chill. I'm one of those dumbshits for sure. I just think the level of discourse is much MUCH higher on CA than Reddit. But I play both, so what the do I know?

I am not gonna lie, I browse /mu/ for a lot of my information (sorry guys) so I am pretty used to all of the vile talk that goes on. It definitely has an effect on what I say here lol

[Tropic]

A pocket full of change is emptied by a little rugged red riding hood

[MisterMagpie]

lol I just realized that all this pitchfork outrage for me personally stems from the exact reason I'm criticizing them
reviews just aren't the same as "back when I first started reading the site"
the site's changed - 24 hr news cycle drives clickbait-y headlines in order to drive traffic to the site, reviews/lists are all about context now
I've changed

I think we can all admit this is a lot over one review, but it just goes to show you the power they (and others) have over culture

Sure "shitposting" about it here may not be viewed as the most appropriate place to rant about this
I'm just realizing this is kind of the final nail in the coffin for me with this site

Someone else already posted it but these words are so relevant today:

Panda Bear wrote:

get your head out of those mags
and websites that try to shape your style
take a risk just for yourself
and wade into the deep end of the ocean

petition to change the thread title to "reviewing with"
everyone post yr own opinions
fuck everything else - no one has to agree
this thread just turns into an echo chamber if we all feel the same way

I think about what this tour is going to be like everyday
who knows where they'll go with stage design
Setlist possibilities are endless.....
I have a good feeling that we will be hearing the debut of Gnip Gnop and Hounds of Barrio live first??
That'll be

[lucasmoreira]

MisterMagpie wrote:

Setlist possibilities are endless.....

my bet is on applesauce, i think avey loves that track

[speen]

Tropic of Cans wrote:

fucking destroyed

[Tropic]

I reckon one of Gnip Gnop and Hounds will get a spin during these upcoming shows. Maybe both ?????????????????????

[blindmowing]

3rd listen thoughts

1. floridada is one of the best songs i've ever heard! makes me laugh makes me dance makes me smile like a maniac

2. panda's thick silver marshmallow voice :):):):):)

3. one of my favorites

4. visualizing a swampish galaxy, a galactic marsh

5. panda bear is an all star on vocals on this song. a favorite!

6. good way to end side a, sci-fi synth space journey. not a huge fan yet, but fits well

7. not as crazy as a lot of you about this one yet, but it's really starting to take shape on listen 3

8. the only song i can't get into yet... tell me what you like about this one!

9. quick jam, sweet

10. great beat again... great melody / vocals from panda

11. AC's Truest/Straightest Pop Song??? such a triumphant song

12. looooooooove this song. what a closer

[MisterMagpie]

lucasmoreira wrote:

MisterMagpie wrote:

Setlist possibilities are endless.....

my bet is on applesauce, i think avey loves that track

interesting pick! when I saw them in 2013 Deaks did back-up vocals during Applesauce, mainly I remember him singing "well you think you don't know, you don't know what comes next" so if they drop that in the set, I'd expect it to be pretty re-worked
I'm really curious on how much Centipede-era stuff we'll hear come Friday (lol we know they ain't playing Wide Eyed)
I could see them dropping some Moonjock
Today's Supernatural would work well with Jeremy on drums I think
Monkey Riches could work too if they want to do a longer jam with lots of energy thats not brosport
Honeycomb feels like an easy fit with the new material

Tropic of Cans wrote:

I reckon one of Gnip Gnop and Hounds will get a spin during these upcoming shows. Maybe both ?????????????????????

I sure hope both! what are the odds of hearing the two other songs whose fates are yet unknown?
I doubt we are going to hear EVERY song from the lp at any given show as well
which tracks will get left out??
some that are too difficult to pull off live?
might we have some songs that are forever STUDIO ONLY tracks?

[Synusoid]

Tropic of Cans wrote:

I reckon one of Gnip Gnop and Hounds will get a spin during these upcoming shows. Maybe both ?????????????????????

Hopefully. Man I can't wait to see how they mix the PW tracks

[partario]

I feel like we won't see a lot of Chz stuff this tour, maybe 1 song. Their live setup is probably going to be too different (especially without deak) and from interviews it seems like that tour was exhausting and they are ready to put some of that era behind them.

[Wilbur]

Really enjoying this album Golden Gal is the only one that's not quite clicking with me so far. But Recycling and Lying in the Grass are instant AC classics in my opinion.

This insight from a few pages back is pretty important...I had similar thoughts on my first listen.

iKahn wrote:

The album, called Painting With for goodness sake, plays more like a series of different sonic environments and experiments; akin to one painter using different combinations of the same 6-8 colors to create a series of very diverse, but clearly related, environmental paintings on a canvas(snowy landscape with a barn, summer beach sunset, rainy night in Manhatten, ect).

[Greasers Palace]

The review is flat out insufferable. Like the indie equiv of some paunchy middle aged middle american douche at some the local bar describing his high school football days as the best days of his life. Seriously, shit grossed me out

If you agree with the review because you long to be exactly where you were in 2007 then you're an idiot. If you don't long to be exactly where you were in 2007 but agree with the review anyway then you're a double fucked idiot.

It's a mean spirited totally misguided piece of writing that abuses its power in order to promote an incredibly stunted agenda. It's anti-art, anti-growth, anti-life. Man, I'm fucking PISSED.

[MFpotus]

aveys part in the second section of vertical reminds me so much of this song

[cujo]

sometimes we enjoy things more when all expectations burdens are lifted from our conscious mind, this 6.2 is an amazing lifting of my spirit and now I can choose to like or not like depending on my current taste in music

[scrambledgreggs]

The ones I didn't like so much yesterday are my favorites today! I love this album so much already

Long ago in this thread someone (I forget who, sorry!) had the idea to assign each song one of the three album covers for use in iTunes or whatever. I think that's a cool idea, after hearing them all now this is what I used:

FloriDada - Avey
Hocus Pocus - Panda
Vertical - Geo
Lying in the Grass - Panda
The Burglars - Avey
Natural Selection - Geo
Bagels in Kiev - Avey
On Delay - Geo
Spilling Guts - Panda
Summing the Wretch - Panda
Golden Gal - Avey
Recycling - Geo

I picked them based on which member I thought had the biggest influence on the song. Anyone have other thoughts?

[MisterMagpie]

blindmowing wrote:

3rd listen thoughts
8. the only song i can't get into yet... tell me what you like about this one!

11. AC's Truest/Straightest Pop Song??? such a triumphant song

On Delay I would probably rank in the lower tier of Avey tracks objectively, but it makes me feel a lot of different emotions and I enjoy it a lot for some of those very personal reasons, for me it brings to mind a set of very intimate memories that are mostly unrelated

I'd totally agree that Golden Gal sounds very triumphant. In a silly way, it reminds me in a way of the "yub-dub" Ewok song from the end of Return of The Jedi, in that at its heart is this very peaceful and happy energy that really communicates everything is going to be okay even though the "sexy gender brings some troubles too, I'm afraid"

[MisterMagpie]

YoYoTaco wrote:

Daily Routine remix? Sung Tongs medley??

I could totally see them dropping a sweet Painting With Daily Routine tour "remix" where they just play the first, more energetic, half of the song

don't even get me started about how sick a Sung Tongs medley would be

[CallAnyVegetable]

robgnarr wrote:

CallAnyVegetable wrote:

robgnarr wrote:

Pitchfork is trash these days, I really think they don't care about INDIE music anymore.

[s]My own opinion[/s]

All I'm saying is I couldn't tell you the last time I found out about a good indie band from p4k. CA however, has introduced me to a lot. Every time I go on p4k it's all Kanye and Young Thug etc.

Ah, shit man, sorry, I wasn't insinuating anything by that - in fact, I completely agree with you. I just decided to take down my two long rants because I felt bad after seeing Avey's IG post, so I replaced everything with "[s]My own opinion[/s]". Glad a lot of us are on the same page about p4k though.

[cujo]

joby wrote:

when did it become cool to hate animal collective? it feels like a very specific part of their early (sung tongs/feels) fan base (some of whom prolly write these reviews) kinda whoorled them up with releases like funeral and aeroplane, and maybe they thought animal collective was something they weren't?

like this whole narrative of "animal collective used to be deep and pure but they just never really figured out where it was going and they took a wrong turn somewhere after MPP and now they're just a parody of themselves cuz they didn't become the band they meant to me in 2007-2009" is just barf worthy. like santa claus isn't real, the world sucks, animal collective is just another band like every other band, now review the damned album like you would any other band....

great way to express those feelings, agree, don't know how true this is but it resonates

[Cussing Bum]

Stereogum is after my heart comparing this album to Grant Morrison.

"This is the indie-rock equivalent of Grant Morrison’s fabled run on Doom Patrol: pleasure and weirdness and esoterica oozing from every pore and crevice, everyone’s palms stained with Crayola after marathon bouts of fingerpainting, every songwriting gear smooth, oiled, and full-on psychoactive."

http://www.stereogum.com/1859972/premat ... valuation/

[Tropic]

Tropic of Cans wrote:

I just can't wait for their Over/Under with p4k

:'(

[spoogn]

i'm sure they'll play father time this tour just because it evokes a very similar caveman/dinosaur feel. i dont like father time much but it'd be weird if they didn't play it while touring this record