[Dallou]

Yes like that people are arguing about the grade and not the review

"How could this album be 0.2 above this album ??!! I am unliking RAI NOW !"

[popadam]

i like ratings w decimals personally, it's how i normally rate things (for fun and organization)
a ton of albums fall between 8 and 9 for me
and PBVSGR is definitely between a 7 and 8

[Dallou]

sorry for saying it was stupid

[Tropic]

Decimal ratings or otherwise, who cares? It's just a shorthand way of stacking albums and indicating what you like. Let people do it if it's what they want to do. Personally I like to rate things out of fifteen. Dunno why, just feels more natural to me. I like the wiggle room.

This only becomes a problem when people take scores as gospel or as some infallible truth or, worse yet, to colour their own opinion. Like, not listening to an album or going into it with a negative bent because P4k panned it.

[Fonz]

Numbers is just a more definite measure than language. Sure you have a positive or negative response to it but how much so in either direction is best dealt with in numbers.

[Tropic]

Absolutely. I mean, I definitely agree with it on a micro scale, amongst peers.

Artists living or dying based on decimal points kinda sucks. I think reviews would work a lot better without scores--I'm sure some publications even do that. It's an unnecessary metric when one person is delivering an opinion to the masses.

[Tropic]

Check out the 15/15 system in all its glory though.

Prospect Hummer: 4/5
People: 4/5
Water Curses: 5/5
Fall Be Kind: 5/5

Prospect Hummer: 8/10
People: 8/10
Water Curses: 10/10
Fall Be Kind: 10/10

Prospect Hummer: 12/15
People: 11/15
Water Curses: 14/15
Fall Be Kind: 15/15

Look at that shit. You could smoke it

[rohcti]

Agreeing with all the people that rating with numbers is usually stupid, and decimals even stupider

[Dallou]

I mean it is weird to say to your friend, this album is a 5.3. Really the things you have to say about it is way more interesting. Exept if it's a ten , then I understand

Well who cares, each is own

Person pitch is 3 yellow rambow out of 28 red houses and

PBvsGR 40 hotgreengrass/ 28 Red houses

[Tropic]

Haha.

I meant peers online, by the way. I've never given a numerical rating to anything in person ever.

Might start using your 28 red house system though, I like it

[Dallou]

[jfw7]

where does kozelek's solo material rate on the red house scale?

[real slippi]

jfw7 wrote:

where does kozelek's solo material rate on the red house scale?

as a less filtered outlet as a whole, so a multiplier of .79 the non-solo'd kozelek (non-RHP/SKM), however still quite solid. duh

[rohcti]

Dallou wrote:

Person pitch is 3 yellow rambow out of 28 red houses and

PBvsGR 40 hotgreengrass/ 28 Red houses

Lol

Nice

[jetski]

Dallou wrote:

Person pitch is 3 yellow rambow out of 28 red houses

ha. it obviously deserves at least 5 yellow rainbows

[Akaio]

My scale is in multiples of e on logarithmic intervals
It's the only way to truly capture all the nuances that can factor into a rating

[Ethmin]

I like Person Pitch more than the others but they are all worthy entries in the PB canon. Tomboy can really slay when you're into it.

[popadam]

tomboy and pbvsgr are fun/10 albums for me
not as much substance as i am usually drawn too
BUT there's a great aesthetic and atmosphere to them. real "mood" albums
person pitch has both, plus i have a soft spot for all animal collective related projects, they all give me a feeling similar to nostalgia??? except they're new???
i dont know, overall guys this album is good

[jerry wonder]

re: math whatever happened to bubbloy?

[Ethmin]

he comes and goes, hasn't been a regular for some time

[rampface]

This page is out of control :hannity:

[Enn Eye]

Nadir, some thoughts on Noah's content......

this post has been coming for a while....

I remember discussing the album with friends, and the playing them the boots to contrast to it. They were so surprised at the difference in sound- one guy even thought GR was an instrumental album, the mix was so smooth and opaque, vocals blending so much into the sounds..... It can be a great party soundtrack, or an intense solo experience. It's a veiled album, I think Noah deliberately makes you work quite hard if you wanna know what he's revealing to you, what he is sharing. He stated many times he disguised his meanings, made them broader, or universal. It's poetic and dense. Although seductive on the ears, this isn't simple pop music that hits you over the head instantly, spelling it out in dumb one-liners. I think that's why so many people and critics sometime feel let down by the albums - they don't play by the commercial rules. Like standing in front of a great painting, sometimes you gotta look it every day and let yourself change, feel it in different moods. The secrets contained may only be revealed when you're in the right place to receive them. Despite all the Anco meme-band stuff that floats around the net, Noah's work transcends this fluff and the instant reactionary mood of the Internet can't really digest the multi-layered nature of his craft.

In recent years I've become a major Kate Bush fan, and I see Noah and her so similarly. Both artists are defiantly individual and idiosyncratic, following their own creative muse. As fans, we have to spend time to pull apart just what is being shared - both artists reflect on incredibly personal themes and ideas. I think Noah is a truly reflective and deeply sensitive artist; each song has a different density of material veiling them, sometimes a thin delicate silk, sometimes a opaque sheet. Fans on this site are only here because we want to be closer to the artist and their music, it's a gift that people like Noah or Kate Bush can share their lives with us. We are so lucky there's artists with thisdepth. How an artist can obviously be so affected by the death of his father, make so much music about his role in family, and the still appear to have sympathy for (or at least acknowledge the cycle of) disease is utterly profound and this empathy is as humbling as is is inspiring.

So to the question of Nadir, and whether Noah supports a Dawkins view of family & critique of the welfare state, I'd he sees all sides. Like the dualist and simultaneous contradictory nature of Tomboy, I think Noah feels the need support his family, to work hard everyday, make it worthwhile and justified perhaps.... I doubt however he would ever subscribe to the certainty of Dawkins. The song begins with clear revelation and resolve but by the end he know that even this is a fallacy, we trip up again, we can't ever be too sure of anything, and we gotta make up our own mind. The nadir swings from the lowest point to the zenith.

If change here is the theme of the album, It seems that Noah feels the flow of life, the uncertainty, and expects the unexpected. It's a bit hippy, a bit arty, and feels a bit like a dad. It's a really honest album, made quite humbly with common sources and samples we could access but with his own voice that only he could ever bring. He's as open as ever here, once you decipher (we we ever truly can) just what is on his mind. I love spending time with this album, in many different mood and spaces I feel different things. Evolve yo, share, LOVE

PEACE

[roopn]

Top notch post, ennives

[Dallou]

I listened to the album today, damn it's incredible, love the never ending texture moving in the tracks.
It's like if Panda is singing on a cloud in the storm scene in Mad max Fuy Road.

Favorite album of the year, sorry Sufjan :/

Not too far from the top of the mountain where Person Pitch and Young Prayer are chillin. I am Definitly upgrading it to 2 yellow raimbows and 15 giant trees

Also I've never heard anything like this album, which I never really thought about before. Does any of you guyz and girlz heard something similar before ?

ps : Such a great post ennives !

[Natalidae]

.

[roopn]

I get weary if Dawkins is mentioned anywhere , our friend PB aside

[Dallou]

Didn't Noah said Nadir was about sex ?

[roopn]

Ooh, I've never heard that

[Vovenarg]

i heard all his songs are about sex

"on my father's grave, on my father's grave, on my father's grave..."

what did you THINK he was talking about?!

[roopn]

Hahahqh

[Dallou]

He said it was about a relation ship between two person but without the romantic aspect,just the physical one, something like that .
I hope I am not saying bs here

[Dallou]

Every time I read the word Justified in a sentance, I hear noah singing it on Mr Noah, and most of the time I don't remember where it comes from

[kingo]

Dallou wrote:

Every time I read the word Justified in a sentance, I hear noah singing it on Mr Noah, and most of the time I don't remember where it comes from

Hahaha, on a similar note: whenever I hear any song from that EP, I think of Chicago. I was there just after it came out and had it on repeat walking looking at colleges.

[archie]

no its an anti-romantic song saying that even tho they say another person can help u be happy and great "only u can fill those spaces" "when they touch ur hand that aint it" and he only said its an anti-romance song but i would go so far to say that he is also saying that its a false crutch for some ppl "breaks a brittle back" "ull trip up again" etc etc

[lucasmoreira]

^this

also, Rap Genius is the worst place to see AC lyrics interpretations

[Enn Eye]

The speculation surrounding Selfish gene shows, to me, what an amazing lyricist Noah is.
You point out Natalidae there's some reprehensible politics in Dawkins theories - strange (?) Noah alludes to these theorisations so directly....

And indeed how to attempt qualitative judgements on what are ultimately subjective, aesthetic and emotional subjects.
40 green donuts and a half box of mustaches!!

But subjectivity.... The song is full of contradictions, opinions and rebuffs - a heterogenous churn of human endeavour (even Anco crits) bookended by a high 'now I see it so clear' and a low 'trip up again'. Noah's Looking through a glass onion. In between these only you can fill those spaces

As Noah obviously changed the tile from Nadir to Selfish Gene, perhaps Dawkins' family model could be considered as an extreme, absolute low point and depression of all family can offer an individual and a society also....? Functional, non romantic relationships?

Speculations..... But isn't everything??

[cody]

where art thou,,,, jabbawokkee,,,

[Enn Eye]

Here tis -

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

^lyrics confirmed

[iKahn]

New Panda remix of an Eric Copeland track.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=100&v=1qdeZhvhBPU[/youtube]

[Sonic boom]

^
vocals are by NL too . transformed .
sick song......