I can see how that interpretation could arise, but, in many ways it is all substantial; there is very little other music that sounds like this album if any.
it is an album where the sounds do create their own universe but in a way that doesn't subdue its own presence as sound itself. I've thought that about OK Computer before, that it is an album that's partially about how unusual sound is.
I can get behind the music on this album 100%
The lyrics on almost all the songs lack any semblance of substance
The lyrics on almost all the songs lack any semblance of substance
hahaha...... don't confuse a lack meaning with a lack of substance,
isn't the world a bit absurd, talking bacteria on a ball of moss in an infinite multiverse?
Nonsense can be the great liberator too....
from wiki "Jabberwocky" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky
Jabberwocky is a nonsense poem written by Lewis Carroll in his 1871 novel Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There, a sequel to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The book tells of Alice's adventures within the back-to-front world of a looking glass.
Jabberwocky is considered one of the greatest nonsense poems written in English.[2][3] Its playful, whimsical language has given English nonsense words and neologisms such as "galumphing" and "chortle".
Jabberwocky: When a class in the Girls' Latin School in Boston asked Carroll's permission to name their school magazine The Jabberwock, he replied: "The Anglo-Saxon word 'wocer' or 'wocor' signifies 'offspring' or 'fruit'. Taking 'jabber' in its ordinary acceptation of 'excited and voluble discussion', this would give the meaning of 'the result of much excited and voluble discussion'..."[16]
Noah looked in the greaper's eyes and he seen the truth of it all yo
the next EP is Noah beyond death, trickster shaman, the Jabberwocky
The lyrics on almost all the songs lack any semblance of substance
While I don't necessarily agree, I'll definitely admit that the lyrics on this album aren't typical PB. Like if you take Person Pitch, the lyrics feel really direct: "Who are you to tell me how / when you've problems of your own?" Same with Tomboy too—more introspective, but they're still in pretty plain language: "If I could err on every good side every time".
With Grim Reaper I think he was trying to obscure the meaning of the lyrics a bit more. I know there are some interviews where he talks about how the lyrics are almost like riddles. I haven't parsed through all the lyrics but I would argue that there's substance in there. Crosswords, to me, feels like it's about having faith in yourself and not getting discouraged by other people who try to put you down. The "so good" part is great, it's like a taunt. "You got it so good, don't you? Well, I don't give a shit about you"—ya know? That's just my interpretation though, obviously. You're free to read it differently.
There's also this article where he goes through each song one by one—some of it is focused more on the recording/producing side of things but still might help shed some light: http://www.thefader.com/2015/01/07/pand ... -new-album
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I think that on some songs he probably wrote a vocal melody and then just wrote lyrics that fit the vocal melody whether they mean anything or not. I feel like this is probably true of Untying the Knot, Mr Noah, Principe Real and Boys Latin.
lol dude are you serious? Just because you've hard a hard time deriving meaning from these songs doesn't mean anything, besides your own lack of ability.
So, while I am really happy with the album, I think the only thing I was disappointed about was the album translation of Selfish Gene. it's a really amazing song, my favorite from the boots, but the synth just kind of lost its.... bite, i guess. It's like it's less in your face and energetic. I miss that from the live version. Otherwise, it's a near perfect album
Fully with you on this
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I think that on some songs he probably wrote a vocal melody and then just wrote lyrics that fit the vocal melody whether they mean anything or not. I feel like this is probably true of Untying the Knot, Mr Noah, Principe Real and Boys Latin.
Ethmin wrote:
lol dude are you serious? Just because you've hard a hard time deriving meaning from these songs doesn't mean anything, besides your own lack of ability.
I like the idea of the Mr. Noah lyrics having no meaning...you know, the song written about 3 different parts of himself
lol dude are you serious? Just because you've hard a hard time deriving meaning from these songs doesn't mean anything, besides your own lack of ability.
theyre the most mysterious lyrics I think Noah has written. You can tell theyre personal but he eschewed the meanings and the edges of the words, causing a blurriness of the meaning of the songs. Its like unlocking a puzzle. They're simple but invoke lots of questions and emotion.
sometimes i think i know what he means and get the exact meaning of a lyric or song but i dont think thats the point i think part of the reason he does things the way he does is so he can make music that influences your spiritual stuff and helps you transcend ideology and stuff which cant necessarily be done when you understand every word. he leaves space for you to meet him halfway... or something
i wrote some lyrics the other day and was psyched on them then i listened to the album again and was like damn hes hella good at lyrics. i think this album has a really cool dynamic on a lot of the songs where he seems to be talking about something specific and broad at the same time even tho the two things arent related
[quote=There's also this article where he goes through each song one by one—some of it is focused more on the recording/producing side of things but still might help shed some light: http://www.thefader.com/2015/01/07/pand ... -new-album[/quote]
Man, I wish there was an article of his thoughts on the recording and engineering process, but him and the boys are very secretive about their processes. I loved reading that article or whatever (can't quite remember the context) of the feels recording process. Something about the vocals for DYSTW being recorded with 5 mics set up in the vocal booth.
This Fader article kind of hits that mark but it's more about the feeling being each track. I would love it so hard to nerd out with sonic and noah about what compressors, plug-ins, mics placements,. etc. they used on tracks.
theyre the most mysterious lyrics I think Noah has written. You can tell theyre personal but he eschewed the meanings and the edges of the words, causing a blurriness of the meaning of the songs. Its like unlocking a puzzle. They're simple but invoke lots of questions and emotion.
I'm pretty sure his process on writing lyrics is based on the idea of taking a direct message and obscuring it with the goal of making the lyric more universal and applicable to everyone's experiences. You find your own meaning, kind of thing. I'd like to hear a PB record where he espouses some of his core beliefs in a poetic way. I doubt this would ever happen though. He seems to use vocals and lyrics simply as a vehicle for the melody.
Do we know what major parts/sounds sonic boom added to da greeper? This is so dense with sound just drippin the ooze off its fingers. I'm lovin it so mush.
Man, I wish there was an article of his thoughts on the recording and engineering process, but him and the boys are very secretive about their processes.
You're in luck—Sonic posted this a few weeks ago
Sonic boom wrote:
for the music geeks like me
theres menna b a piece in electronic musician about the recording....dunno if it dropped or not..
I too am very curious about the recording/engineering process for this record. I wonder if this article is already out yet?
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edit: kind of makes me sad actually, that version of Selfish Gene/Nadir is so intense, to me that's the only song that didn't turn out the way it should have on the album. It lost some of the energy or urgency or something
lol dude are you serious? Just because you've hard a hard time deriving meaning from these songs doesn't mean anything, besides your own lack of ability.
The lyrics remind me of so much Taoist stuff I've been reading over the last few months. I have prepped a long post on this a few times but just not sat down and got it all out. The lyrics are deep as fuck, probably the best he's ever written, to my mind. Some of the concepts, intentional or otherwise, have struck such a chord with me and my own recent shift in perception of life and existence. Stuff like 'laugh into the chasm' is basically a direct and concise summation of Cheng Tzu's philosophy.
This is just a quote about the man's philosophy but hope it explains a bit of where I'm coming from:
Chuang Tzu viewed nature as having great spontaneity and change, with all things—large and small, beautiful and ugly—equally important and ever in a constant flux. In this way, he enlarged the notion of the co-dependence of things, one causing change in another, which appears in Buddha’s thought. Chuang Tzu also emphasized the mutual causation of opposites: for example, that life leads to death.
Oh man, Remember wham sonic was giving us riddles about Wolf, bear, eagle, vegetable, mineral? I assume now that meant the two singles that dropped? Wolf bear eagle of course is Mr Noah, and I am guessing vegetable and mineral refer to boys Latin
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have you guys also noticed that spiraly sound in the live versions of come to your senses that comes in right before the "yea i'm mad" chord change? i think that's what panda is using as a signal that the "are you mad?" part is ending and there is a chord change ahead. i know i would get lost in how many times the "are you mad?" is repeated.
So, while I am really happy with the album, I think the only thing I was disappointed about was the album translation of Selfish Gene. it's a really amazing song, my favorite from the boots, but the synth just kind of lost its.... bite, i guess. It's like it's less in your face and energetic. I miss that from the live version. Otherwise, it's a near perfect album
Yeah. In the boots it's really bouncy and sounds like something out of a carnival. It's really cold on the album, and while I do love Noah's vocals on it, they don't come close to the loose way he sings live.
That said, I think it's probably my favourite off the album along with Tropic.
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